# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Tags:** trump
**Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1950 "2024-07-20T02:57:38Z")
> [@Smapti](#):
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> Biden is the president, therefore everyone knows he’s too busy to be constantly flying to 12 hour a day swing state events where even he may make a nationally publicized gaffe.
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> Right?
They suspect he cannot do it even if campaigning was the priority. This will not apply to the Democratic nominee if that person is middle aged. So if that person had a highly demanding day job, giving that as a reason for not spending lots of time campaigning would be more plausible.
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### Author:  [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1951 "2024-07-20T02:59:35Z")
I’m talking rallies, radio shows, tv shows, meeting donors, calling donors, all of it. It just takes time and energy.
She can get out a clear message day in and day out.
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### Author:  [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1952 "2024-07-20T03:03:16Z")
> [@Smapti](#):
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> THIS is what the people are saying about Biden. Not “he looks old” or “OMG he said we have beaten Medicare he’s clearly lost his mind” or “I’m voting for the guy with the cool picture”.
I know some Trump voters. Whatever you want to say about them, they also are people.
If it really is true that Meidas Touch gets “thousands like this,” how many to they get that are different?
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### Author:  [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1953 "2024-07-20T03:11:09Z")
Maybe try reading the whole article? Yes some races were high for Democrats or Republicans but the average result was less then a point different then predicted.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1954 "2024-07-20T03:11:19Z")
> [@DSeid](#):
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> That’s the point. It is very entrenched.
Ok. “Impressive given the level of entrenchment” and “impressive without taking entrenchment into account” are very different things. Carry on.
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### Author:  [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1955 "2024-07-20T03:11:52Z")
What are the Obamas or Clintons saying? Crickets.
It’s kind of heartbreaking, really.
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### Author:  [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1956 "2024-07-20T03:16:56Z")
I’m not sure what you are trying to prove with these anecdotes. No one is saying every single person thinks Biden should drop out. But poll after poll shows at least half and possible more of the Democratic party thinks he should drop out. A well higher of number with independents. Support of 40% of your own party isn’t going to cut it.
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### Author:  [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1957 "2024-07-20T03:24:47Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#):
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> What are the Obamas or Clintons saying? Crickets.
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> It’s kind of heartbreaking, really.
It’s kind of … significant. Really.
In a dog that doesn’t bark sort of way.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1958 "2024-07-20T03:27:18Z")
> [@DSeid](#):
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> It’s kind of … significant. Really.
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> In a dog that doesn’t bark sort of way.
Exactly. I imagine that Obama, at least, _is_ having private conversations with Biden.
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### Author:  [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1959 "2024-07-20T03:30:00Z")
Right. There has been plenty of time issue a statement and defend Biden. And yet…nothing. Can’t imagine how Biden feels. It’s Shakespearean…et tu, Barack?
Probably because of this:
> Mr. Obama last saw Mr. Biden at a lavish, record-setting Hollywood fund-raiser before the debate in June, when the two appeared onstage together. At the end, Mr. Obama appeared to be leading Mr. Biden offstage. One former Obama aide who was present that night said that it was clear that the former president was startled and shaken by how much Mr. Biden had aged and seemed disoriented.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1960 "2024-07-20T03:33:41Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#):
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> What are the Obamas or Clintons saying?
> [@DSeid](#):
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> It’s kind of … significant. Really.
> [@CoolHandCox](#):
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> There has been plenty of time issue a statement and defend Biden. And yet…nothing.
Ahem.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1961 "2024-07-20T03:37:10Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#):
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> I’m not sure what you are trying to prove with these anecdotes.
That the voters are not as fickle or easily swayed by superficialities as many of you dismiss them as being, that the push to betray Biden is coming from the elites and not the people, and that the people are going to be righteously pissed if a handful of millionaires get to veto their nominee.
> [@Hawkeyeop](#):
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> Support of 40% of your own party isn’t going to cut it.
I must’ve missed the poll that said 60% of Democrats are going to vote for Trump.
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### Author:  [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1962 "2024-07-20T03:39:38Z")
Fair enough. But I think their silence over the last week is also telling. Moreso to me.
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### Author:  [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1963 "2024-07-20T03:42:06Z")
Honest question - those statements were all about three weeks ago, immediately after the debate - I had known of them - have there been more since?
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### Author:  [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1964 "2024-07-20T04:05:40Z")
Cause there’s this.
> **[Biden Takes Another Massive Hit With Obama’s Behind-the-Scenes Leak](https://newrepublic.com/post/184007/biden-another-massive-hit-obama-drop-out)**
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> Barack Obama is reportedly telling allies he thinks Joe Biden’s path to victory is shrinking fast.
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> Obama has reportedly told his allies that he believes Biden’s path to victory in November has significantly narrowed and that his former running mate needs to start seriously considering the feasibility of his candidacy in 2024, multiple people familiar with the former president’s opinion told [_The_ _Washington Post_](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/obama-says-biden-must-consider-viability/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzIxMjc1MjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzIyNjU3NTk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MjEyNzUyMDAsImp0aSI6IjIyZTRhZmY5LTQ4OWMtNGVlNy04MjlkLTUxYjg1YTYzNzg5OCIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDI0LzA3LzE4L29iYW1hLXNheXMtYmlkZW4tbXVzdC1jb25zaWRlci12aWFiaWxpdHkvIn0.gRU1tT5IBVWJP0Bow0gG0SqXBrlF0h_2X3t5zCr4Q-s) Thursday. …
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> … News of Obama’s wavering confidence comes on the heels of [three brutal leaks](https://newrepublic.com/post/183980/bidet-drop-out-triple-leak-schumer-pelosi-jeffries)on Wednesday, which revealed that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had all privately urged the president to withdraw from the race for the sake of the Democratic Party. …
[The Clintons though](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/18/democratic-donors-biden-drop-out-kamala-harris.html) are lobbying donors to stick with Biden.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1965 "2024-07-20T04:10:40Z")
So someone “familiar with Obama’s opinion” thinks he told someone in private that maybe Biden should consider his options?
I don’t see how that trumps a public statement, even if he doesn’t feel compelled to shout it every couple days.
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### Author:  [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1966 "2024-07-20T04:12:11Z")
Thanks. Nothing public, but the Clintons are at least helping Biden.
I’m guessing we’ll know how this ends by next Friday. I think it’s coordinated to have all these public statements spread out but I’m hoping it stops, or runs out, soon. One way or the other. I’d guess Biden steps down.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1967 "2024-07-20T04:26:41Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#):
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> I’m guessing we’ll know how this ends by next Friday. I think it’s coordinated to have all these public statements spread out but I’m hoping it stops, or runs out, soon. One way or the other. I’d guess Biden steps down.
This doesn’t sound like the action of someone who’s planning on stepping down…
> **[Biden announces return to campaign trail next week ](https://signalscv.com/2024/07/biden-announces-return-to-campaign-trail-next-week/)**
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> By Jacob Burg Contributing Writer President Joe Biden said on Friday that he will resume campaigning next week after he tested positive for COVID-19 two days prior, forcing him to cancel \[…\]
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1968 "2024-07-20T04:27:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#):
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> Biden is the president, therefore everyone knows he’s too busy to be constantly flying to 12 hour a day swing state events where even he may make a nationally publicized gaffe.
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> Right?
Busy is the wrong word. He isn’t physically up to it. He kept falling when walking the regular AF-1 stairs so he now has to use the belly stairs. He was so weak recently that he had to pause after the first 2 steps, and then again for the next 2. He then slow walked the remaining steps which are about 12 in total. He had to be helped into the limo. He’s really slowed down since he was elected.
It’s unprecedented for a party to do what they’re doing. It’s chaos trying to do this just before the Democratic convention so Biden must be in pretty bad shape for this to happen.
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1969 "2024-07-20T04:32:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#):
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> the push to betray Biden is coming from the elites and not the people, and that the people are going to be righteously pissed if a handful of millionaires get to veto their nominee.
You’ve got this exactly backwards.
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