# Biden now least popular president of all time, including Trump {Not Accurate, see below} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 13, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117 "2022-06-13T18:32:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/41 "2022-06-16T00:30:19Z")
The problem is that he’s not just a liar. He’s also arrogant. Let me quote my wife: “He’s arrogant without any cause for his arrogance”. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/42 "2022-06-16T00:38:26Z")
My issue is with people, especially those who oppose Trump, who state that Trump “actually believes…” dot dot dot. No one but the con man knows that. And ALWAYS when I hear someone state what Trump believes, they cut him a little slack. Fuck that. It’s not that complicated to look at a lying con man, and know that you’re looking at a lying con man. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/43 "2022-06-16T00:48:36Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > > [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > > > When you have the first significant inflation this country has seen in what, over 30 years (maybe more) > > Try 40 years. So that puts us (checks calendar) in 1982, when (checks history book) Ronald Reagan was president. Does this mean that 2024 is going to go the way of Reagan’s re-election effort in 1984? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/44 "2022-06-16T00:54:41Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Does this mean that 2024 is going to go the way of Reagan’s re-election effort in 1984? It’s increasingly unlikely Biden’s going to run in 2024. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/45 "2022-06-16T00:58:03Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s increasingly unlikely Biden’s going to run… Not that anybody’s going to ask me, but I’d be ok if that happened. John Tester 2024! > **[Jon Tester](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Tester)** > > Raymond Jon Tester (born August 21, 1956) is an American politician and farmer serving as the senior United States senator from Montana, a seat he has held since 2007. A member of the Democratic Party, Tester is the dean of Montana's congressional delegation and the only Democrat who holds statewide office in Montana. He served in the Montana Senate from 1999 to 2007, and as its president for his last two years in the chamber. He is generally considered a centrist or moderate Democrat. > Tester ... ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/46 "2022-06-16T01:14:45Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > This is kind of…baffling. Sure, Biden has had his flaws but his presidency is by and large significantly better than Trump’s by most objective measures, but here he is in the ratings gutter. Comparing approval ratings from independents might make more sense, because the Republican cult is going to skew the approval numbers significantly. Basically, Trump has proven that no republican president can ever get disapproved from about 35% of the electorate, the hardcore republicans, no matter what they do. Similarly, those same people would never give the thumbs up to a democrat, so that caps democrats at around 65% in the absolute best case scenario. With more than a third of the potential polling base not acting in good faith/rationally, the numbers aren’t going to make sense. And more broadly, governance in the US is awful right now and has been for 10 years. So even though Biden is better than Trump by a long shot, democrats are not a cult around Biden giving him unquestioning approval. Since democrats can and will disapprove of Biden, but Republicans cannot and will not disapprove of Trump (or any Republican president going forward), it’s not an apples to apples comparison. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/47 "2022-06-16T01:28:34Z")
Sez who? The GOP? The Kremlin? > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Comparing approval ratings from independents might make more sense, because the Republican cult is going to skew the approval numbers significantly. Right. Now whatever Dem sits in the Oval office he is gonna have at least a 40% disapproval. Even Harry Truman would not rank high in today’s political climate. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/48 "2022-06-16T01:50:44Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > John Tester 2024! If I thought there was half a chance of the Democrats nominating him, I’d stop saying that Trump is the 2024 front-runner. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/49 "2022-06-16T02:07:44Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s increasingly unlikely Biden’s going to run in 2024. While it is increasingly unlikely he’s going to win in 2024, I’m not sensing he’s wavering when it comes to running. Of course he watches the polls. And the polls say that the person most likely to get the nomination if he drops out, Kamala Harris, would be a slightly weaker candidate than he. I’m not sure I believe those polls — Harris might benefit from low expectations if she actually was nominated. But I’ll bet Joe believes them. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/50 "2022-06-16T04:13:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Sez who? The GOP? The Kremlin? Members of the DNC, federal and state democratic officials, the NYT. > [@](#): > > “To say our country was on the right track would flagrantly depart from reality,” said [Steve Simeonidis](https://twitter.com/stevesimeonidis?lang=en), a Democratic National Committee member from Miami. Mr. Biden, he said, “should announce his intent not to seek re-election in ’24 right after the midterms.” [Should Biden Run in 2024? Democratic Whispers of ‘No’ Start to Rise. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/11/us/politics/biden-2024-election-democrats.html) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/51 "2022-06-16T04:20:14Z")
That is one, count em one, ex-DNC member. There are over 300 of them. And he is from Florida. And Fox loved that tweet. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/52 "2022-06-16T04:27:41Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > While it is increasingly unlikely he’s going to win in 2024, I’m not sensing he’s wavering when it comes to running. The fact is that incumbent presidents tend to get reelected, and a disastrous midterm is not a strong indication that the president is in trouble. Reagan, Clinton and Obama endured big losses for their party in the first midterm – all went on to be comfortably reelected. Meanwhile Carter and Bush Sr. saw pretty modest midterm losses, and yet both lost reelection. The bottom line is that a couple years is an eternity in politics and the political dynamics in 2024 are likely to be very different from what we’re looking at in 2022. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/53 "2022-06-16T04:38:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > That is one, count em one, ex-DNC member. The NYT article doesn’t use the word former. He stepped down as chair of the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, but I didn’t find anything saying he’s no longer part of the larger DNC. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/54 "2022-06-16T07:01:33Z")
That is still one, count 'em ONE Florida man. One of 300+. > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Members of the DNC, federal and state democratic officials, So, umm, member **s**? Other officials? Is that the official position of the Times, or just some “whispers”? Hint- just rumors. One idiot Florida man is meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/55 "2022-06-16T09:14:38Z")
I misremembered who that was, and thought you were referring to [Jon Taffer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Taffer?wprov=sfti1). ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/56 "2022-06-16T16:39:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Even Harry Truman would not rank high in today’s political climate. Harry Truman was well below 40% in his day’s political climate. Sending troops to Korea was super unpopular. [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ABLVV84_AMqTcMx0H5Mw7eI12Llm7bHKE6GdNkYa4wnTUt4LU9lGToxtmPgiuDQwWPdWv50gyFZcnHO_vzmiGFjZ4dh0YHgxYTbwIFRUs5ET4ZjMdnMhU_Q=w600-h315-p-k "New item by K S") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/xdhpnv4pxEyXUHvA6) ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/57 "2022-06-17T16:28:03Z")
One huge downside of Biden’s current unpopularity is that in greatly increases the likelihood that Trump will run again. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2022, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/58 "2022-06-17T17:11:23Z")
I thought that likelihood was 90+% before that… ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/59 "2022-06-17T17:46:52Z")
Before what? Biden has been pretty unpopular for a while now - it’s not like his support just fell off a cliff just now - and Trump’s positioning is not unrelated to that. But if Biden was at 60% in the polls, I think it’s more likely that Trump would make a lot of noise and tease about it, and raise some money for it, but possibly be afraid of being a 2-time loser. But with Biden at 39%, Trump can smell victory, and is more likely to seek redemption. And vengeance. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117/60 "2022-06-17T17:49:49Z")
I’m sort of with the folks who think that Trump’s ego, and the opportunity to fundraiser even more, would’ve gotten him to run even if Biden were historically popular. I’m not certain “afraid to be a loser” even enters his mind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-now-least-popular-president-of-all-time-including-trump-not-accurate-see-below/966117.md?page=4)