# Biden V. Palin watch-along thread

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [October 3, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253 "2008-10-03T00:00:18Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/181 "2008-10-03T01:32:41Z")

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For a minute, it looked like some incoherency was trying to make an appearance.

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**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/182 "2008-10-03T01:32:56Z")

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> [@Frank](#):
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> If we carpeted this land from sea to shining sea with oil wells, we still wouldn’t be energy independent.

What if we carpeted it with solar panels? That would give it a pretty dark blue tile look too.

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**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/183 "2008-10-03T01:32:58Z")

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If you don’t care about the causes of GW how do you know how to fix it?

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**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/184 "2008-10-03T01:33:03Z")

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She even had Biden nodding his head along in agreement to her before. That’s saying a lot. People here were talking like he was going to stand there smirking and looking down his nose the whole time.

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**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/185 "2008-10-03T01:33:04Z")

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Palin running out of gas…Conserve our hydrocarbons?

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**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/186 "2008-10-03T01:33:10Z")

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“deal with climate change clean up the planet so we can deal with climate change!”

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**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/187 "2008-10-03T01:33:11Z")

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> [@Captain\_Carrot](#):
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> Are you trying to KILL US ALL?!
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> Edit: wow, two pages in a row where I was the first post. Heh.

Oh how I laughed Very funny

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**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/188 "2008-10-03T01:33:19Z")

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> [@Argent\_Towers](#):
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> Everyone talked about this debate as if Palin was going to get up there and start stammering and drooling like she had a fucking lobotomy. It isn’t so. She’s been remarkably confident, with a very aggressive manner of speaking, no hesitation whatsoever, and even if she has no idea what she’s talking about, she nevertheless _sounds_ like she does. She is definitely coming off as likable and capable, and I’m sorry to say it but the anti-Palin crowd is simply going to have to eat some crow here.
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> I still am not rooting for her, I’m just pointing out the impression I get.

But she’s not saying anything. I’m scoring Biden about 1/10 on content and Palin at -1. Her answer to the question about “What promises will you have to give up on due to the bailout” was pretty revealing. She immediately started with a non-sequitor and rambled for 60 seconds. Not sharp. Not even trying to fake a good answer.

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**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/189 "2008-10-03T01:33:39Z")

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Dead Badger believes Joe Biden should avoid referring to himself as Joe Biden.

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**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/190 "2008-10-03T01:33:59Z")

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Good answer Joe!!!

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**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/191 "2008-10-03T01:34:17Z")

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> [@lobotomyboy63](#):
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> Has anybody given the obligatory “I’d nail her” yet? 'Cause I’ll do it if nobody else has…
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> ETA: I would _not_ nail Joe Biden.

Only if it’s the “Bang, zoom, straight to the moon” kind. Heck, I’d much rather listen to Jackie Gleason.

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**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/192 "2008-10-03T01:34:20Z")

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> [@Argent\_Towers](#):
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> No, I literally thought that you guys meant that she was really going to start drooling.
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> Jesus, no. Of course, it was hyperbole. But you were wrong. She comes off looking and sounding very, very sharp here.

Well, which is it? I don’t think anyone thought she’d be drooling etc. But given her past interviews, the expectations were low. Low played well for the GOP–now she looks much better, but she is shaky off her talking points. She is better on her facts, I’ll give her that. disingenuous as hell, but better.

I should have made popcorn.

Aw, look at that smirk from Palin. Drill drill drill…

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/193 "2008-10-03T01:34:21Z")

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> [@Frank](#):
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> That’s true, and as far as appearance goes, she’s definitely holding her own.

I want to hold her own. She is cute.

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**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/194 "2008-10-03T01:34:34Z")

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What the hell was Biden talking about with exporting coal technology and China? Was he saying we should be exporting to China? I’m confused.

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**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/195 "2008-10-03T01:34:41Z")

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I’m sure this is going to be far from a popular opinion here but…she is kicking his ass IMHO. Oh, her facts are just about as distorted as his are, to be sure. But…she is coming off MUCH better than he is as far as poise and basically the VP job…attack job and cheer leader for her candidate. She is SUPPORTING McCain while Biden is ATTACKING McCain. I’m sure this is going to be a distinction lost on some (most?)…but it’s pretty telling.

Of course, full disclosure and all that…I can’t stand Biden so that may be influencing my perceptions here (actually, it IS influencing them). While I’m neutral about McCain and Obama and was able to watch them in a much more detached mood I REALLY don’t like Biden…while I’m fairly neutral about Palin.

Anyway, carry on…just wanted to give my two cents…

-XT

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**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/196 "2008-10-03T01:34:44Z")

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CNN headline:

> [@](#):
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> What is True and False About the Causes of Climate Change

sigh Yes, why do we need questions at all, or logic for that matter?

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/197 "2008-10-03T01:34:48Z")

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Joe’s (can I call him Joe?) has his stats and facts handy. Governor Palin doesn’t seem to, ya betcha.

“Barack Obama and Senator O’Biden”

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**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/198 "2008-10-03T01:35:14Z")

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I like how she corrected Biden on the chant. Like that matters.

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**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/199 "2008-10-03T01:35:25Z")

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Senator O’Biden? Who knew he was one of the filthy irish?

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**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-palin-watch-along-thread/466253/200 "2008-10-03T01:35:33Z")

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> [@black\_rabbit](#):
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> FTR, I’m drinking Jameson & soda.
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> From a bucket.
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> Toxic mess on main street.
> 
> Mainstreeters like me.

Knob Creek on the rocks for me.

I don’t know if I feel like debating too much, but my impression so far is:

Palin: “Like me, I’m down home, darned sure.”

Biden: “I know a lot about what’s going on. Here’s the story.”

(this from a decided Obama/Biden voter. Palin is confident, but she has little to say about many things, and has a very . . . localized view of a lot of issues. I really don’t care about back home in Alaska. I want to know about the whole country.)

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