# Biden v Trump: June 27 debate (Live debate comment here) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 25, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332 "2024-06-25T20:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/461 "2024-06-28T02:47:38Z")
The gish gallop is a rhetorical technique. The counter is to realize you have no obligation to refute nor address every point your opponent raises. Talk to the larger audience with your message that resonates with them. ---
**Author:** ![Beesnest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e495f1/32.png) [@Beesnest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beesnest)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/462 "2024-06-28T02:47:40Z")
I’m ok with Biden wrapping up with a list of infrastructure gains. The abortion arguement can’t be settled in 90 seconds. He should have pointed out that the House Republicans blocked new funding for border judges and clearing houses. I think Biden should have denounced the SCOTUS ruling on allowing gratuity payments to politicians. That would shock a lot of people. Thanks John Roberts. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/463 "2024-06-28T02:48:08Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > David Axelrod, paraphrasing: “There’s a sense of shock… [Biden] seemed disoriented… will be discussions of replacing, even if not successful…” Could the Democratic Party pull that off by convincing him to step down? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/464 "2024-06-28T02:48:21Z")
Of him stepping down from the ticket or of their being calls from Democrats for him to do exactly that? Because I 100% expect prominent party members to call for him to step aside almost immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/465 "2024-06-28T02:48:25Z")
Van Jones: “I love that man (Biden). That was personally painful. It’s not just panic. It’s _pain_.” mmm ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/466 "2024-06-28T02:49:06Z")
Is there even a mechanism for that? I’d say pray Biden wins the election and then have him step down in two-years and one day after he starts his second term and then let Harris take over. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/467 "2024-06-28T02:49:25Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Of him stepping down from the ticket or of their being calls from Democrats for him to do exactly that? Both. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Because I 100% expect prominent party members to call for his to step aside almost immediately. It would be supremely short-sighted of “prominent party members” to make such a call based on one subpar debate performance where he was clearly struggling with a cold. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/468 "2024-06-28T02:49:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Lantern2](#): > > > > There are definitely going to be calls for Biden to stand down. > > Zero percent chance of that happening. What if Jill Biden wants him to? ---
**Author:** ![Lantern2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lantern2/32/3010_2.png) [@Lantern2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern2)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/469 "2024-06-28T02:49:45Z")
There is going to be enormous pressure on Biden to step down over the next few weeks. Not sure it will work but even if it doesn’t it’s hard to see how it doesn’t weaken him further. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/470 "2024-06-28T02:49:54Z")
I fully concur with the “disaster” verdict. I’ve always liked Biden since the Obama days, but he’s no longer the man for the job. It doesn’t matter what he said, even if one could understand him which many of us could not some of the time – it matters even more that he looked like he might die before the night is out, never mind before another four years. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/471 "2024-06-28T02:50:14Z")
One debate… If Trump is smart he’ll keep it at one and just use this as fodder. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/472 "2024-06-28T02:50:50Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > it matters even more that he looked like he might die before the night is out, never mind before another four years. He’s got a cold. Is our standard now “candidate who is immune to disease”? Good luck finding one of those. If you want Trump to win, then you should absolutely be calling for Biden to step aside. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/473 "2024-06-28T02:51:08Z")
Biden lost this debate the moment he left the make-up table, just like Nixon. He looked like a corpse, and sounded like a wraith. All of his answers were smarter, more coherent, and saner than Trump’s, but that won’t matter in the least. He might as well have showed up in a shroud. I’m so ticked off right now. Ticked off and terrified. Biden confirmed everybody’s worst fears. Og help us. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/474 "2024-06-28T02:51:29Z")
I thought for a minute he might be having a stroke. Good grief. Terrible. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/475 "2024-06-28T02:51:51Z")
Colds do not make you act like that. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/476 "2024-06-28T02:51:51Z")
> [@Lantern2](#): > > There are definitely going to be calls for Biden to stand down. I am still baffled why his team agreed to a debate before the convention. The danger for him was always going to be a weak debate performance leading to calls for someone else to replace him and I think that’s what will happen. That might be a hard conversation that needs to be had. trump needs to be stopped, and if Joe can’t do it I’m perfectly okay with them bringing in someone who can. I think Biden has been a fine president, and I think he would continue to be a fine president if re-elected. But he has to get re-elected, and the odds of that are looking shakier by the minute. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/477 "2024-06-28T02:52:29Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Colds do not make you act like that. Colds don’t give you a cough and a hoarse voice? That’s news to me. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/478 "2024-06-28T02:52:42Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > > [@Lantern2](#): > > > > > > There are definitely going to be calls for Biden to stand down. > > > > Zero percent chance of that happening. > > What if Jill Biden wants him to? Exactly my thought. And I suspect @Smapti will be seriously disappointed with what other Dems will do and say in coming days. The NYT is going to have a field day with what happened tonight and they are supposedly a liberal paper. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/479 "2024-06-28T02:52:47Z")
Just remember to take all the opinions and divide them by 10. It’s not as bad or good as you’re feeling or who you’re watching on TV. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/480 "2024-06-28T02:53:04Z")
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