# Biden v Trump: June 27 debate (Live debate comment here) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 25, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332 "2024-06-25T20:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/641 "2024-06-28T14:39:30Z")
I can’t remember which thread I said it in but I did say we never should have fooled ourselves into thinking that Biden was ever a good debater. He never has been. I knew there was going to be trouble when I saw the video I posted in the other thread. The one where Trump was talking about his VP candidate being at the debate. Trump looked and sounded very similar to how he was in 2016. They jumped to Biden and a shoutout question asking if he was ready for the debate. He was doing the frail old man shuffle. He gave a very weak thumbs up. It’s shocking how much worse he looks from 2016. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > As others have noted, the real job each candidate has is to convince non-voters to come out in support of them and to convince existing voters not to stay home this time. That’s why I don’t like the term undecided. Disengaged is more apt. There are those who are disengaged from politics and with never engage. They hate the system or don’t think it matters. Others disengage because of the choices that are available. Those are possible to get out to vote. That’s where the younger non-voters usually are. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/642 "2024-06-28T14:41:02Z")
I seriously feel like if Biden had just started off his opening statement with, “Before we get started I just want everyone to know I’ve got a cold, so I’m sorry in advance for sounding like this!” and smiled, it would have gone a LONG way in buying him some goodwill. Acknowledging that his voice was fucked up from the get-go would have been preferable to not addressing it at all and acting like it’s normal and acceptable for him to sound that way. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/643 "2024-06-28T14:43:25Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > [@bordelond](#): > > > > > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > > > > > What undecideds? … > > > > > > As others have noted, the real job each candidate has is to convince non-voters to come out in support of them and to convince existing voters not to stay home this time. > > > > Exactly this. > > Disagree. > > Even if the turnout theory (as opposed to median voter theorem) is correct, people motivated to watch a debate are already motivated to vote. > > Both candidates did try to appeal to swing voters. Based on just now reading the transcript, they did not do a good job. The unmotivated may not have watched the debate live but they do have the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/644 "2024-06-28T14:44:21Z")
It’s WAY too soon to panic. Every speech Biden gives in the next 129 days is going to look like an enormous improvement in vigor. Compared to Trump, whose most frequent appearances on the news will be him napping in a courtroom. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/645 "2024-06-28T14:45:53Z")
[“Boy, I’d hate to be you. I got a ‘C.’”](https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1988/12/13) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/646 "2024-06-28T14:46:37Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > I seriously feel like if Biden had just started off his opening statement with, “Before we get started I just want everyone to know I’ve got a cold, so I’m sorry in advance for sounding like this!” and smiled, it would have gone a LONG way in buying him some goodwill. > > Acknowledging that his voice was fucked up from the get-go would have been preferable to not addressing it at all and acting like it’s normal and acceptable for him to sound that way. That is absolutely what he needed to do. Now he needs a new campaign staff but Trump actually trapped him in corner by saying Biden should have fired people. If he dumps his campaign staff now he makes Trump look better. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/647 "2024-06-28T14:51:03Z")
I’m seeing a lot of Americans in my timeline turn to doomerism. Sooo… I’m guessing the debate went well? …Ok, fear not my Yankee Brothers and Sisters. All Biden needs to do is turn the next debate into a trial. Throw away talking about American politics or economy, or whatever. Biden has Trump. He has him. The guy who refused to take the stand in his own trial. Biden has him ON STAND. Just go low. Be the most ruthless cutthroat prosecutor that would be disbarred. What is Trump going to do? Take the 5th? Pivot to policy? Ha! Be dirty and love it. Give America the showboat trial it always wanted for Trump. When things go back to America… pivot back to Trump. When the moderators pose questions, give sound byte… then pivot back to Trump. Put the greaseball on trial. Never let the American people think anything else except Trump’s crimes and possible jailtime. Nothing else. Maybe Trump will get rattled? (who knows, maybe Biden has it in him to scare the guy). Trump is a federal convict. He is possibly fighting for his freedom. Biden needs to get Americans to see Trump’s as crook. Nothing but a convicted crook. ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/648 "2024-06-28T14:51:35Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > I seriously feel like if Biden had just started off his opening statement with, “Before we get started I just want everyone to know I’ve got a cold, so I’m sorry in advance for sounding like this!” and smiled, it would have gone a LONG way in buying him some goodwill. The trouble with this is that it may well not be true. It may be that his voice is weak because he’s suffering from some kind of neurological disorder. If that’s the case then he can’t blame it on a cold because colds get better. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/649 "2024-06-28T14:53:51Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > It just doesn’t seem possible that he has the mental capacity at this point to run the country, if last night was an accurate reflection of his mental condition. Not really the point of this thread, but succinctly: “_Running the country_” is not and never was a one-person job. Not even in “_the buck stops here_” sense. There are a gajillion “_running the country_” decisions made every single day that the sitting President has no hand in. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/650 "2024-06-28T14:54:33Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > > [@Spoons](#): > > > > it was “They’re in luxury hotels in New York,” when I’d venture to guess that most Joe Lunchpails aren’t anywhere near New York, and likely would never stay in such hotels anyway. > > But the point is not that “they” are taking hotel rooms away from Americans, it’s that they are getting something fancy for free, when I (hypothetical Republican voter) am much more deserving and am getting bupkis! > > Suzie’s present at Christmas time was bigger and more expensive than mine. And she’s adopted, ferchriscake! Not fair!!! If I may, speaking as a non-Democrat this illustrates the issue. Nothing is free. It’s not that someone is getting something they are not. Most would sneer at the suggestion they go to New York. The issue is “we” are paying for it. > [@Horatius](#): > > [quote=“WalterBishop, post:627, topic:1003332”] Say what you like about Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer but you could dope them both up with enough Valium to stun an elephant and they could _still_ talk rings around Trump and Biden. One of the benefits of the Parliamentary system with Question Period. Every major politician has to be able to stand up and defend or attack the opposition on a regular basis. Getting good at that takes practice. [/quote] I watched the ministers questions a lot during a time in my life. It was Majors at the time. It did amaze me how quick they had to be and were. Made me wonder how many US presidents could do the same. Very few. Obama probably but with a lot of practice. Maybe Clinton. Maybe Bush senior. It would really change American politics. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/651 "2024-06-28T14:57:18Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > > [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > > > It just doesn’t seem possible that he has the mental capacity at this point to run the country, if last night was an accurate reflection of his mental condition. > > Not really the point of this thread, but succinctly: “_Running the country_” is not and never was a one-person job. Not even in “_the buck stops here_” sense. There are a gajillion “_running the country_” decisions made every single day that the sitting President has no hand in. Which is the scariest part of Project 2025. Government runs because of the civil servants who do their jobs every day regardless of who is in the White House. Replacing them with toadies will be a disaster of epic proportions. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/652 "2024-06-28T14:58:33Z")
That’s like saying you are not really driving your car. There are a thousand bits making your car operate. You only point it in some direction and hit the gas/brake pedal. The president is important. He/she is the driver. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/653 "2024-06-28T15:05:48Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > **Which is the scariest part of Project 2025**. Government runs because of the civil servants who do their jobs every day regardless of who is in the White House. Replacing them with toadies will be a disaster of epic proportions. (_my emphasis_) Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/654 "2024-06-28T15:08:24Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > If I may, speaking as a non-Democrat this illustrates the issue. Nothing is free. It’s not that someone is getting something they are not. Most would sneer at the suggestion they go to New York. The issue is “we” are paying for it. I’d say Trump hit a sore spot regarding immigration. There is a piece in the NYT currently titled “A Suitcase, 10 Countries, One School: A Migrant Family’s Search for Home” about a Venezuelan family that is now in New York. Eric Adams has complained about the cost to the city. I think there’s a definite feeling in most of the West now that “the government is taking care of strangers at the expense of its own people.” It’s come up as an issue in the US, Canada, and Europe. Now, don’t get me wrong. Trump was bloviating and lying about immigration. But the soundbite about hotels could get some traction. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/655 "2024-06-28T15:09:49Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > That’s like saying you are not really driving your car. > … > The president is important. He/she is the driver. For me, this analogy doesn’t hold up. Driving an automobile is not comparable to “_running a country_” IMHO. The responsibility and tasks involved in “running a country”\*\* are too diffuse. \*\* _I keep putting “running a country” in quotes because IMHO it’s kind of not really a singular thing._ ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/656 "2024-06-28T15:10:55Z")
Re: “we can’t replace Biden!”—every other Western democracy does their entire campaign, start to finish, in less time than the four months remaining to us. It’s not that it can’t be done, it’s that we have never tried it. And I question the belief that Biden is the best man for the job. In 2020, sure, but now people are just repeating beliefs as if they are facts like the incumbent advantage, which may be true for Congress but isn’t demonstrable for president. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/657 "2024-06-28T15:20:04Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > If I may, speaking as a non-Democrat this illustrates the issue. Nothing is free. It’s not that someone is getting something they are not. Most would sneer at the suggestion they go to New York. The issue is “we” are paying for it. > > I’d say Trump hit a sore spot regarding immigration. There is a piece in the NYT currently titled “A Suitcase, 10 Countries, One School: A Migrant Family’s Search for Home” about a Venezuelan family that is now in New York. Eric Adams has complained about the cost to the city. I think there’s a definite feeling in most of the West now that “the government is taking care of strangers at the expense of its own people.” It’s come up as an issue in the US, Canada, and Europe. > > Now, don’t get me wrong. Trump was bloviating and lying about immigration. But the soundbite about hotels could get some traction. Whenever immigration came up Biden should have just kept hitting back that he has a plan but Trump ordered his people in Congress to block it thus hurting all Americans. Trump hurts America for his own gain. Hit it over and over. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/658 "2024-06-28T15:28:52Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > After the fact Gavin Newsome was on MSNBC defending Biden, and showing how much better a candidate he would have been against Trump last night. I’m not endorsing him, don’t know enough about him, but he looks and sounds more presidential than either of the stumbling geezer or lying ass clown we saw last night. Yep Newsom has been awesome every time I’ve seen him speak, _especially_ when he’s on hostile media. I gather though that a significant proportion of california dem voters can’t stand him, so there may be significant fckups in his record. With Biden…I’ve worried that Biden didn’t have the required oratory skills or vibrancy since the 2020 primaries. He was last, or second-last option for me among the candidates. He’s done a fantastic job as president, better even than Obama. But, like Obama, we’re about to see a very awkward transition of power chat in the oval office. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/659 "2024-06-28T15:33:22Z")
I had to smile when Trump insulted his judge on national television. He’s going to be facing one pissed off dude at his sentencing. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/660 "2024-06-28T15:36:13Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > He’s done a fantastic job as president, better even than Obama. I’ve been fine with the job he’s done so far. I don’t even see any better possible candidates out there. Reality is unfortunately extremely unreal at times and this is one of those times. It is astounding that there is a contest between someone who is clearly old but has demonstrated the ability to do the job and someone who wants to undo the constitution and democracy around the world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332.md?page=34)