# Biden v Trump: June 27 debate (Live debate comment here) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 25, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332 "2024-06-25T20:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/881 "2024-07-03T22:18:58Z")
You do understand that no human can be awake and alert 24/7? The need for sleep (whether in one long stretch or shorter and supplemented with naps) is fundamental to all humans. There is also a gigantic difference between diseases of severe cognitive impairment, such as Alzheimer’s, and regular cognitive decline associated with advanced age. People with the former should not be president (and of course I include Reagan here). The latter is significant but far less serious, and doesn’t necessarily impact memory or even the ability to achieve complex mental tasks, though it may limit when and how often. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/882 "2024-07-03T23:31:08Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > You do understand that no human can be awake and alert 24/7? The need for sleep (whether in one long stretch or shorter and supplemented with naps) is fundamental to all humans. Absolutely. But most people are expected to be awake at work. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/883 "2024-07-03T23:47:12Z")
Remind me? President of the United States, that’s a _9 to 5_ or a _8 to 4_ job? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/884 "2024-07-03T23:56:14Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Absolutely. But most people are expected to be awake at work. Most people’s jobs don’t involving managing a 24/7 world. A president can sleep whenever nothing is scheduled, but must be prepared to be awakened and alert if something happens. What the debate showed is that Biden, on one occasion, did not manage to be both awake and alert (or, better, awake and performing in top form). One instance by itself wouldn’t mean much, but the fact that this was an event that was both important and scheduled well in advance is deeply concerning. Personally, I suspect it has more to do with his and his team’s denial of his limitations, both format and energy level, than it does his total abilities (since we clearly saw him doing very well this same week). But still, I can’t be alone in thinking “if this is Biden at 81, what will he be like at 84?” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/885 "2024-07-04T00:42:07Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Biden wanders off to give a thumbs up to someone who isn’t even looking at him. I like the goal post shift. Now there was a reason for him breaking from the group. But I hear ya, when you say “wanders off” it sure paints him as aimless. Well done. Maybe we can stick to the real stuff, it’s important stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/886 "2024-07-04T03:47:46Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Maybe we can stick to the real stuff, it’s important stuff. Fair enough. The real stuff. **Before the debate** [AP News:March 4, 2024](https://apnews.com/video/united-states-government-public-opinion-texas-district-of-columbia-josh-boak-2389ad1d0abf418390cd8ee195b653ce) More than 6 in 10 U.S. adults doubt Biden’s mental capability, poll shows **After the debate** [WSJ JULY 3, 2024](https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/whats-news/wsj-poll-shows-80-of-voters-think-biden-is-too-old-to-run/d496bb98-3303-4a62-ad53-c73b4caa0a0f): WSJ Poll Shows 80% of Voters Think Biden Is Too Old to Run It’s fine and noble thing to defend Biden but it comes at a price. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/887 "2024-07-04T04:02:40Z")
In the mean time the 2nd Democrat Representative has come forward asking him to drop out of the race 7 days after the debate. [CNN July 3, 2024](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/03/politics/raul-grijalva-second-house-democrat/index.html) - Democratic Rep. Raúl Grijalva of Arizona has become the second sitting Democrat in Congress to call on President Joe Biden to drop out of the presidential race, according to an interview with The New York Times. - “If he’s the candidate, I’m going to support him, but I think that this is an opportunity to look elsewhere,” Grijalva told the Times. “What he needs to do is shoulder the \* responsibility for keeping that seat — and part of that responsibility is to get out of this race.” This isn’t just about Biden. It affects everybody up for election. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/888 "2024-07-04T04:13:33Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > **After the debate** > [WSJ JULY 3, 2024](https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/whats-news/wsj-poll-shows-80-of-voters-think-biden-is-too-old-to-run/d496bb98-3303-4a62-ad53-c73b4caa0a0f): WSJ Poll Shows 80% of Voters Think Biden Is Too Old to Run WSJ is a pro MAGA rag now. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/889 "2024-07-04T04:19:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > WSJ is a pro MAGA rag now. Attacking a source does not make it false. You’re free to prove it wrong. But considering the level of media coverage of the issue it’s not going away. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/890 "2024-07-04T04:22:56Z")
Who do you think should step up to take his place? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/891 "2024-07-04T04:24:29Z")
I answered that in another thread. A Senator or Governor from a state that would benefit from those votes. I think that would be the logical goal of the party. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/892 "2024-07-04T04:36:01Z")
Do you think that will gain enough votes to make up for the votes lost by bypassing the current Black female VP? 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/893 "2024-07-04T04:38:42Z")
That would depend on the current Black female VP’s polling numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/894 "2024-07-04T04:45:59Z")
Who do you think the Democratic Party should pick? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/895 "2024-07-04T12:02:20Z")
Biden has given me plenty of reason to think he may be too old for the job. Real stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/896 "2024-07-04T13:59:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > President **Joe Biden** never started his debate preparation before 11 a.m. and was always “given time for an afternoon nap each day,” according to a _New York Times_ report on the lead-up to Biden’s disastrous debate performance last week. > > Biden and his team are also trying to sell the idea that the international trip tired him out to such a degree that we should all excuse his debate performance. > > Note that he was back in the USA a full two weeks after that trip, and, as mentioned in the quote, he had six days before the debate to rest and relax at Camp David. > > It’s as though the Biden team have no idea of the implications of their talking points. ‘Our guy can’t perform for ninety minutes after having six days of rest at Camp David’ is really NOT going to convince people doubting his fitness and stamina that he’s “fine.” I thought that would be a bigger story here. I guess not. I had to turn off the news and watch baseball after I saw that. With all the mental effort that posters were going through to blame the performance on a killer cold and DayQuil, Biden rejected that. It was because he was jet lagged by a trip he got back from 2 weeks before and after a week at Camp David. That doesn’t bother anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/897 "2024-07-04T15:05:57Z")
Moderating: As this event has passed into history and the thread has become a receptacle for posts that are better suited to other threads, this is closed. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-v-trump-june-27-debate-live-debate-comment-here/1003332/898 "2024-07-04T15:06:23Z")
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