# Biden's Two Trillion Dollar Infrastructure (American Jobs) Plan **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 31, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089 "2021-03-31T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/1 "2021-03-31T14:03:37Z")
Here is the 27 page summary by the Biden administration: > **[The-American-Plan.pdf](https://admin-agri-pulse.epublishing.com/ext/resources/Newsletter-photos/2021/3-31-21/The-American-Plan.pdf)** As you can see it is much broader plan including dozens of programs than many of us expected. There is a strong emphasis on expanding labor unions. The spending will be over 8 years, but the increased taxes will be over 15 years so the plan really doesn’t pay for itself [one expects the plan to be extended in 8 years.] The tax increase will be entirely on corporations. I really think it should have included an individual personal income increase for the well off. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/2 "2021-05-02T18:40:41Z")
An interesting historical perspective: > **[What the “Infrastructure” Fight Is Really About](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/01/what-the-infrastructure-fight-is-really-about-485107?cid=apn)** > > Just like in the 19th century, lawmakers today aren’t arguing about whether to build roads or water pipes. They’re arguing about what kind of country they wanted to live in. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/3 "2021-05-02T20:45:32Z")
“Biden and Democratic leaders—backed by a majority of the U.S. population—[believe] that “infrastructure” is more than just roads and bridges and encompasses all the structures that help modern society function.” No. Traditionally this was called the President’s domestic agenda. Compare for example LBJ and Medicare vs Biden and home care for the elderly and disabled. The two are fundamentally comparable (in fact Medicare covers the later to a certain extent). But LBJ never called Medicare infrastructure. Biden’s use of infrastructure for this is simply a gimmick for massive deficit spending (he wants to pay for 8 years of programs with 15 years of corporate income taxes–but of course the programs will last 15+ years). ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/4 "2021-06-23T17:07:44Z")
[DC Fire: 3 injured after pedestrian bridge collapses in Northeast DC (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dc-fire-3-injured-after-pedestrian-bridge-collapses-in-northeast-dc/ar-AALmquv?ocid=uxbndlbing) perhaps this will get the bill going again. hopefully no one is seriously hurt. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/5 "2021-06-24T20:46:10Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Biden’s use of infrastructure for this is simply a gimmick for massive deficit spending (he wants to pay for 8 years of programs with 15 years of corporate income taxes–but of course the programs will last 15+ years). Biden’s proposal was to pay for it with a tax increase, the GOP counterproposal (to the extent there is one) was to slash the expenditure to mostly already-approved projects\* and not raise _any_ taxes to pay for it, and _Biden_’s the one engaging in a “gimmick for massive deficit spending”?! 🤨 \*To the extent infrastructure is inadequate, simply spending at the previous level or on previously-approved projects is clearly also inadequate. Throwing in leftover stimulus money as a supposed sop to Democrats raises the question of why such a thing even exists, when 1. a key purpose of the stimulus was to stimulate the economy when Covid was at its worst 2. many small and medium-sized businesses who applied for relief didn’t get any. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/6 "2021-06-25T03:58:25Z")
Anyone know whats in the compromise bill? I feel this will probably be another ACA situation where the GOP keeps watering down the bill and then votes against it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/7 "2021-06-25T04:19:16Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/whats-in-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-plan/ar-AALoTdN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/whats-in-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-plan/ar-AALoTdN) ---
**Author:** ![a6ka97](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@a6ka97](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a6ka97)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/8 "2021-06-25T13:07:04Z")
A smaller part of the big picture is the decrease in road use taxes (basically taxes on gas/diesel) due to more fuel efficient vehicles and electric vehicles, who apparently pay no road use taxes despite using the roads. I have no issues in higher taxes (fuel or other) if it is going to fix the infrastructure of roads, bridges, etc… Problem is there is a lot of “fluff” added to this bill that has nothing to do with true infrastructure. Reminds me of President Obama’s “shovel ready” job program, lots of show but very little go. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/9 "2021-06-25T15:43:43Z")
> [@a6ka97](#): > > I have no issues in higher taxes (fuel or other) if it is going to fix the infrastructure of roads, bridges, etc… Problem is there is a lot of “fluff” added to this bill that has nothing to do with true infrastructure. Based on the reporting I watched this morning on PBS, nobody is quite sure how this is being funded except that some of the money is coming from unused COVID funds. No specific rise in tax revenue has been mentioned by lawmakers. What’s the “fluff” that you mention? Seems they took a lot of it out in order to achieve bipartisan compromise. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/10 "2021-06-25T16:22:22Z")
As far as I can tell the only thing which has been agreed to is this 4 page Bipartisan Infrastructure Framework. Any bill is going to be several hundred pages. But, as frequently said: “The devil is in the details”. > **[BiPartisan%20Infrastructure%20Framework.pdf](https://www.isacoil.org/Resources/55642161-d411-4046-9e7e-99f5416812f3/BiPartisan%20Infrastructure%20Framework.pdf)** > > 94.17 KB ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/11 "2021-06-25T19:13:03Z")
It’s less likely now there will be a deal. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/blindsided-gop-senators-put-infrastructure-deal-in-doubt/ar-AALsaog](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/blindsided-gop-senators-put-infrastructure-deal-in-doubt/ar-AALsaog) Obviously if he is going to not sign this deal without also getting his bigger budget bill he might as well just merge them. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/12 "2021-06-25T21:51:22Z")
What’s Biden’s play here? To squeeze Sinema and Manchin into voting for a straight Democratic Party infrastructure resolution vote? Why not get this 1.2T passed to at least get one bipartisan win behind his belt? Unless he has good reason not to trust the GOP to continue to support it when it is fully fleshed out. Which is probably the case. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/13 "2021-11-09T15:50:09Z")
13 House Republicans voted for the infrastructure bill to help it to pass, and GOP leadership is so pissed off about an _infrastructure bill_ that they’re threatening to [remove them](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-lawmakers-want-to-punish-the-13-republicans-who-voted-for-biden-s-infrastructure-bill-by-kicking-them-off-congressional-committees-report-says/ar-AAQv6sh?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531) from their committee assignments. Are they going to do this every single time any Republican votes for _anything_ a Democratic president wants? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/14 "2021-11-09T16:18:23Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > GOP leadership is so pissed off about an _infrastructure bill_ that they’re threatening to [remove them](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-lawmakers-want-to-punish-the-13-republicans-who-voted-for-biden-s-infrastructure-bill-by-kicking-them-off-congressional-committees-report-says/ar-AAQv6sh?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531) from their committee assignments. Wow. That’s a special kind of crazy. I wonder if they are also going to go after the R senators that voted for it. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/15 "2021-11-09T16:23:16Z")
One thing’s for sure, when a bridge gets repaired in the Georgia 14th, I do NOT want to hear Marjorie Taylor Greene take any credit for it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bidens-two-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-american-jobs-plan/939089/16 "2021-11-15T18:07:09Z")
C’mon. Of _course_ she will.