# Big Brother 4: I Hate Them Already **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 9, 2003, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116 "2003-07-09T00:02:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![survivorology.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@survivorology.com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/survivorology.com)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2003, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/301 "2003-08-14T21:42:56Z")
well, so they got a bunch of people and their exes. We can see why they were dropped in the first place. Too bad CBS did not figure that out sooner. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2003, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/302 "2003-08-15T12:29:07Z")
**Diogenes the Cynic** Just before Jun left the cage, Erika and Jack told her she was safe. Jack said the votes were in the kitchen(Justin and Robert) She then asked about what happens if there’s a veto and Jack said she was safe ---
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2003, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/303 "2003-08-15T20:00:52Z")
yeah, because both jun and ali are opportunistic players (not that that’s so bad) and erika and jack know that they will vote with the majority/those in power. the stooges are TIGHT. It worked for them for a brief time, but it will now work against them. erika is smart enough to know what she has to do. ---
**Author:** ![callie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@callie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callie)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2003, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/304 "2003-08-15T22:40:29Z")
NOMINATION SPOILER… According to a live feed recaps - Erika nominated Justin and Robert. Big surprise there… ---
**Author:** ![callie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@callie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callie)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2003, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/305 "2003-08-16T22:49:11Z")
Veto spoiler… Jun won veto power according to the live feed recaps. Also - it sounds like Robert is kissing major Erika ass - going so far as to say that everything that went wrong in their relationship was his fault - in the hopes that Justin will be the one voted out on Wednesday. Heh ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/306 "2003-08-21T18:59:01Z")
So…Justin is out. Who’s left? Robert and Jee, Jack and Erica, and Ali and Jun (the Slut and the Sneak). There’s also at least one cross-alliance (Jun/Jee). With Jee in the Big Comfy Room, it looks like a Jack and Erica kinda nomination. We know he’s not going to stick Robert or Jun on the block. Ali knows how to kiss ass enough to stick around (although I’d love to see her and Dana stuck in the Jury House for as long as possible. Maybe they’ll kill each other before the game’s over!) Twists, twists, twists…what the hell’s this one about? Haven’t seen a spoiler yet. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/307 "2003-08-21T20:23:41Z")
I’m just pleased that Jack has made it this far, and seems to be in no immediate danger. Isn’t the “token older housemate” usually gone by this point? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/308 "2003-08-21T22:15:13Z")
I don’t know. How long did What’shisname (Clarke? Blaine? Damn…) from BB2 last? Gerry was in well into the middle of August last year. He was the one that broke up the couples, if you remember (Talks-While-Sleeping was evicted on his watch). And Gerry was probably the most despised (for the most idiotic, fake reasons) houseguest by the other hamsters in that season. With Josh a close second. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/309 "2003-08-22T01:34:25Z")
Ooo! That “twist” they were talking about seems to have gone down according to live feed reports. Houseguests seem upset. I guess we’ll see what’s what on Saturday. The actual contest was blacked out but it seems Jee might have jerked everyone around by accepting some offer. Looks like food punishment is involved ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/310 "2003-08-22T01:39:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jayjay \* > \*\* With Jee in the Big Comfy Room, it looks like a Jack and Erica kinda nomination. We know he’s not going to stick Robert or Jun on the block. Ali knows how to kiss ass enough to stick around (although I’d love to see her and Dana stuck in the Jury House for as long as possible. \*\* If I were HOH at this point, I would nominate Erika and Allison. That way, barring a Golden Veto and/or whatever twist is up their evil sleeves, one of the two opposing factions would be dissolved. And I don’t think it particularly matters which faction blows up. All are dangerous at this point. I’d like to see Allison gone next. She is one mean female! ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/311 "2003-08-22T01:49:10Z")
**annieclaus** , I agree that having no more Ali would be just fine by me. But I believe the house guests know that Ali is such a loser that carrying her to the finish line is a sure bet for whoever hauls her along. I almost busted a gut when she and Jun were vowing to take each other to the finals as if that was some kind of hot deal. (Yeah, they both get money that way, so I guess that’s worth something.) All I can do is hope they can keep Erika and Jack together to the end, since I suspect they may have already arranged a 50/50 split of the money if they both get to the last two. (Maybe Jun and Ali have a similar deal going.) And I would love it if Ali, Dana and Nate could be in the jury house for a few weeks. I’d rather see that than the main house. ---
**Author:** ![Zazie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Zazie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zazie)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/312 "2003-08-22T18:48:54Z")
Anybody else knows what the twist is about? ---
**Author:** ![Petey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@Petey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petey)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/313 "2003-08-22T19:04:07Z")
the twist I got from a couple of sites: The hamsters were each offered a deal to sell out the others. They would win Power of Veto and could eat normal food, while the others would eat only peanut butter and jelly. First they offered 1 month, then 3 weeks, then 2 weeks, then 1 week. Jee accepted the deal. Jee has PoV and can eat normal food. All others have to eat PB&J for 1 week. Jee has said he will eat PB&J also out of some kind of solidarity ---
**Author:** ![Petey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@Petey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/314 "2003-08-24T01:25:52Z")
After seeing Saturday’s broadcast, I have to say: What a bunch a f\*\*\*ing babies! You would think Peanut Butter & Jelly was the worst fate ever. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/315 "2003-08-24T01:31:40Z")
I agree. Erika was actually crying. You’d think that Jee killed her mom or something. If I was Jee, I’d eat right in front of them and taunt them. He’s totally screwed now anyway, he might as well make his last week a fun one. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/316 "2003-08-24T17:47:24Z")
So who’s he going to put up??? ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/317 "2003-08-24T19:45:37Z")
I’m going to try the spoiler mode to answer your question. I’ve never used it before: He nominated Jack and Erika. (Well, on Preview it seems to work!) Anyway, in response to the earlier message saying he’s screwed, I would argue against that. Anybody with half a brain should have been trying to get Jee out anyway. I mean, who would you rather stand against in the final 2? Jee? Or Robert? Or Alison? Or Jun? I’d take ANY of them over Jee - they have all created enemies. If anything, this might make people more likely to want to stand against him at the end if people are _really_ that upset over the PB&J. ---
**Author:** ![omni-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8dc957/32.png) [@omni-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omni-not)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/318 "2003-08-24T20:12:03Z")
Robert (aka twitchie) was ready for Jee to nominate him, NOT to have to go through an extra week of the stuff\*: he went positively balistic! UN-FRIGGIN-BELIEVABLE! - Although, when he learned that Jee was the only one that went for the PoV, suddenly it turned out to be a good move. Wonder why…:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/319 "2003-08-24T20:48:47Z")
I personally think Robert is ready to climb down off the wagon. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_Bowe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@Doug\_Bowe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_Bowe)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2003, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116/320 "2003-08-26T22:50:46Z")
Well, it’s going to take an extra week for the houseguests to find out who wins the half million. The AP reports that CBS is adding two episodes to the series so the finale will air September 24th in the middle of premiere week. Hmm. This means the BB finale will air opposite the season premiere of “The Bachelor.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-4-i-hate-them-already/187116.md?page=17)