# Big Brother Season XI \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 9, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477 "2009-07-09T18:17:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/41 "2009-07-17T16:37:39Z")
> [@JpnDude](#): > > I started watching this season of **Big Brother US** just as the current **Big Brother UK** enters its 6th week. I didn’t realize the shows’ formats were very different. UK still has the public voting people out, right? The first season of US had that, too, then they realized that the public was voting out all the interesting (read: annoying, scheming, evil, macchiavellian, conflict-loving) people. Season 2 had moved to houseguest-voting. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/42 "2009-07-20T19:51:35Z")
This thread is dropping like Ronnie’s credibility! Seriously, anyone still watching? I was really pissed at Ronnie until the very last comment he made about hoping to backdoor Russell after the veto competition. Think he’ll really do it if it’s possible? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/43 "2009-07-20T20:08:11Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > This thread is dropping like Ronnie’s credibility! > > Seriously, anyone still watching? I was really pissed at Ronnie until the very last comment he made about hoping to backdoor Russell after the veto competition. Think he’ll really do it if it’s possible? It’s one of the design flaws of _Big Brother_…there’s entirely too much of it. Of all my reality shows, _BB_ is the most exhausting. Three nights a week is really too much and I get bogged down by the middle of the season. That said, I am still watching. I have live feed information on that last question… Ronnie probably isn’t putting Russell up. Jessie asked him not to. And anything Jessie says, Ronnie does. Instead, he’s decided that Jordan wasn’t deferential enough for him because she called him out to his face about lying about his vote. Yeah, that was dumb of Jordan (duh!) but his plan to backdoor HER is petty and personal. Not that that’s much different from business as usual on _BB_. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/44 "2009-07-20T20:32:27Z")
I think what Ronnie should have done is put up Jessie and Russell, and make it clear that if one was vetoed, he’d put up another Athlete. He could somewhat deflect any crap he gets from that by just saying that the Jocks have a numerical advantage, and things will be more even if that gets taken care of right now. But he is way too into his scheming. He could have put up Russell from the beginning, since the Veto is so rarely used. But he likes it better if his real target is blindsided later on. I bet it won’t work for him this time. I cannot believe he’s so foolish as to think any of the Jocks will be on his side later in the game, or that he can beat any of them in the final, should he make it there by some miracle. I predict most of the house to scheme against him with the next HoH, and he’s out. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/45 "2009-07-20T20:42:40Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > I predict most of the house to scheme against him with the next HoH, and he’s out. I agree. Unless a Brain wins HoH on Thursday, Ronnie’s on the block. Everybody knows they can’t trust him. The Athletes are treating him well because he has the power, but let’s see how things go after the veto ceremony, when his power is basically over. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/46 "2009-07-20T20:55:46Z")
Ronnie is one of those people who may have a lot of book smarts (or in his case computer smarts), but to do well at this game you either to be a master manipulator, or be willing to use brute force, winning all the challenges in the process (ala Evil Dick, who didn’t get along with anybody and was a target every week, but still won the game). As someone here has mentioned the reason people are willing to cooperate with him now is because he is HOH and they want to kiss his ass. And except for the HOH competition he hasn’t done done that well in any of the challenges. It’s possible he’ll make it into the top 5, if he can do a better job of covering his tracks, but I’d be surpised. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/47 "2009-07-20T22:22:34Z")
Three hours a week is more than I want to commit to – and Ronnie is such a little twit that him being HOH seemed like a good episode to skip. Sounds like I was right about that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/48 "2009-07-20T22:50:39Z")
At our house, we love that BB is on 3 times a week! It saves us every summer when our regular shows are off the air. I actually can’t think of another show we watch regularly right now. (Thank goodness my _Entourage_ Season 5 DVDs just arrived!) On the other hand, I get a lot more reading done over the summer. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/49 "2009-07-20T23:06:12Z")
I’ll be very surprised if Ronnie lasts more than three weeks from today. He wants to be the master of the game and all, but he’s forgetting one simple fact: It’s only week 2 of the show. You don’t make big, sweeping movements this early - you let the big, brash players go after each other and tear each other apart. Once that’s done, you move in and consolidate power. Making the bold move of betraying your only alliance in the very first eviction is a rookie move. Now one team feels betrayed and the other knows you’re a snake with almost two months left to go. I could be wrong, but I’m putting my money on “no chance in hell” for Ronnie. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/50 "2009-07-20T23:12:43Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > I’ll be very surprised if Ronnie lasts more than three weeks from today. He wants to be the master of the game and all, but he’s forgetting one simple fact: It’s only week 2 of the show. You don’t make big, sweeping movements this early - you let the big, brash players go after each other and tear each other apart. Once that’s done, you move in and consolidate power. > > Making the bold move of betraying your only alliance in the very first eviction is a rookie move. Now one team feels betrayed and the other knows you’re a snake with almost two months left to go. I could be wrong, but I’m putting my money on “no chance in hell” for Ronnie. Yeah, I said the same exact thing to my wife last night. Way too early for all the double-agent stuff. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/51 "2009-07-21T13:00:59Z")
From the live feeds: [spoiler]Jeff won the veto and took himself off. Ronnie then put up Jordan, pretty much as I predicted. There was apparently a major blowup as EVERYONE realized that Ronnie was trying to play both sides and was lying like a wall-to-wall rug. I predict that Ronnie is out next week or the one after.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/52 "2009-07-21T13:13:30Z")
What’s the reality-show-viewing equivalent of _schadenfreude_? There’s something really satisfying about watching someone enter one of these games saying “my mad game-playing skilz are so totally beyond what these poor schmucks can muster as a defense,” and then watching them get their ass handed to them virtually immediately. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/53 "2009-07-21T13:22:01Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > What’s the reality-show-viewing equivalent of _schadenfreude_? Skankan’famewhore ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/54 "2009-07-21T20:27:13Z")
Here’s a link to a column on NPR today about Braden’s racist remarks and how CBS censored them: [http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2009/07/cbs\_censors\_a\_racist\_rant\_1.html](http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2009/07/cbs_censors_a_racist_rant_1.html) They seem to do something this every year. I remember a couple of seasons ago there was a huge uproar over stuff that Evil Dick had said. Not that he was made out to be a good guy on the show, but apparently the stuff he said on the live feeds was even worse. Still I’m surprised the producers didn’t include the racist stuff. My guess is that they were simply afraid of drawing the ire of civil rights organizations. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/55 "2009-07-21T20:54:05Z")
Interesting article – thanks for the link. > [@linked article](#): > > What seems more likely, and what’s especially disturbing, is the prospect that these people are cast because they would probably do something hateful that can be seen on the Internet but censored from the show, leaving people aghast. ---
**Author:** ![Yeeter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/96bed5/32.png) [@Yeeter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeeter)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/56 "2009-07-21T21:06:57Z")
I got a free preview of Showtime this past weekend, how far off is the real time versus the events broadcast on Sunday and Tuesday? I’m asking because I’m sure I heard a person say he/she had won POV on Saturday night – and they didn’t say at that time who was officially on the block. After watching for a bit, I figured out who it was. PS it put me to sleep… good thing it was Saturday night. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/57 "2009-07-21T21:18:28Z")
> [@Yeeter](#): > > I got a free preview of Showtime this past weekend, how far off is the real time versus the events broadcast on Sunday and Tuesday? I’m asking because I’m sure I heard a person say he/she had won POV on Saturday night – and they didn’t say at that time who was officially on the block. After watching for a bit, I figured out who it was. PS it put me to sleep… good thing it was Saturday night. Generally, the Thursday show is live, so the evictions and the HOH comps are on Thursday. The nominations are generally Friday. The veto competition is Saturday. And the veto ceremony is Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/58 "2009-07-22T01:33:15Z")
Casey and his fake rapper persona make me really, really stabby. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/59 "2009-07-22T02:03:15Z")
Did I REALLY need to know that, Ronnie?! REALLY?! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/60 "2009-07-22T02:14:15Z")
Okay, now that I’ve banished that final image from my mind… This has to be one of the worst-edited episodes for this show EVER…there was SO MUCH that happened on the live feeds that was absolutely crucial to figuring out what was going on and why that they just completely left out, while spending 15 minutes on a coin-counting competition and a clip of Jordan’s dumbness from Week 1. Grodner’s really starting to manipulate the edited shows with a very heavy hand…it’s obvious that she loves the Athletes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477.md?page=4)