# Big Brother Season XI \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 9, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477 "2009-07-09T18:17:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/121 "2009-08-05T19:10:13Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > Wow, THAT was not was I was expecting. Apparently he was also a bit rough. Lydia’s been complaining that he bruised her a bit. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/122 "2009-08-05T19:47:15Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Apparently he was also a bit rough. Lydia’s been complaining that he bruised her a bit. She’s talking about her butt where he was spanking her while she was giving the please-don’t-stop “no”. After realizing she was digging it he curled up one finger and started “spanking” her with the knuckle of one finger. She kinda kept up with the don’t-stop “no” but it didn’t look appealing at all. I want to know about the scar on her ankle she’s blaming on him. Did he cut her at some point during the first week before I started watching? I remember her complaining about that cut all through the second week, but this is the first time I heard her attribute it to Jessie. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/123 "2009-08-06T00:07:05Z")
Just checked in to the live feed recaps to see what’s been going on for the last four hours, and holy fucking shit. Anyone who reads them should catch yourself up right quick. What the hell? Are all BB houses this batshit insane? These people need some _serious_ psychiatric help. To give some perspective, here are some anonymized excerpts from this afternoon’s recaps. Keep in mind that recappers by their nature have nothing but snark where their compassion used to be. They love nothing more than craziness and drama. (HG = Houseguest) > [@](#): > > 2:06 [Instigator] is seriously freaking the f\*\*\* out > > 2:36 Wow, things change in this house on a dime. > > 2:38 Good God, [Instigator] is a moron of the highest order. Poor [target]. > > 2:40 Um, wtf?!? Is [Instigator] f’ing serious? > > 3:24 Man, [alliance] are telling so many lies, I really can’t keep track. > > 3:40 [Instigator] wants to call [target] out on hir lying in front of the whole house. > > 3:45 Now having the Big House meeting where [Instigator] is throwing [target] under the bus to the entire house. […] [HG] starts yelling at [target]. [Witness] doesn’t want to be brought into it. Wait. Now [only supporter] is starting to turn on [target]. [Different HG] starts shrieking about [target] is the rat, s/he’s lying, s/he’s playing the house. [HG] tries to pull hir away and s/he just keeps screaming. Everything s/he says is a lie, do not listen to one thing s/he says. > > Good OGG, that was ugly, and I didn’t do it justice. > > 4:11 OMG, Poor [target]. They went after hir like attack dogs, and even [only supporter] is pulling away from hir. When s/he tries to make a point, they won’t let hir speak and talk over hir. I don’t know what is true and what isn’t but these people are nuts. I don’t care what [target] did, s/he is better than any of these people. Now [only supporter] is against [target] too. It gets worse; there is apparently lots more yelling and screaming from other HGs at this target. This is now the third house-wide blowup so far this season, which is wrapping up only its fourth week. Is this normal? Because if so, I can’t believe I’ve never watched it before. This is the greatest show EVER! Identities of the players in the above drama:[spoiler]Target is Michelle, only supporter is Jeff, and Instigator is Russell. Yellers / Pile On-ers are Chima, Natalie and Ronnie. Russell is freaking the fuck out that Michelle made a stupid joke that they (she and Russell) were talking about Erectile Dysfunction. They apparently WERE; they were talking about the experiments she does on rats, and one is about ED. And they talked about it. He got so pissed that he called a house-wide meeting, apologized to Ronnie to for putting him up instead of Michelle, and begged forgiveness of everyone. Ronnie, Russell, Chima and Natalie started yelling/shrieking at Michelle; her only ally Jeff has now pulled away and is about to turn on her if he hasn’t already. What the fuck?[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/124 "2009-08-07T02:07:51Z")
Wow. None of all that was even shown in tonight’s episode! All they had was Russell & Chima screaming at each other because Russell thought Chima was trying to backdoor him! Lydia’s makeup was seriously creepy, btw. It was like eyes floating in the dark. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/125 "2009-08-07T02:37:52Z")
Why did Ronnie hate Michelle so much, just because she refused to use the veto on him? Did some shit go down on the live feed between them that they didn’t show on last night’s episode? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/126 "2009-08-07T03:08:02Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Why did Ronnie hate Michelle so much, just because she refused to use the veto on him? Did some shit go down on the live feed between them that they didn’t show on last night’s episode? Ronnie’s hated Michelle for a while now. He’s projecting big time…everything he accused her of, he did himself. He was trying to throw suspicion on her for the vote HE cast to evict Braden the very first week! For some reason, Ronnie just latched onto Michelle as a scapegoat and victim. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/127 "2009-08-07T03:40:59Z")
Yeah, I can’t think of any concrete reason for Ronnie to hate Michelle. Based on his exit interview with Julie, it seems in his mind lying is only okay if there are some people you don’t lie to. The funny thing is that Michelle qualifies under this goofy logic because she didn’t lie to Russell, Jeff and Jordan. The sad thing is that Russell went batshit insane over that dopey ED stuff, so poor Michelle got screwed big time. I would say that spreading rumors about a guy’s sexual dysfunction is the male equivalent of spreading rumors about a girl being a slut or a whore. (Michelle didn’t spread any such rumor.) Chima actually DID call Lydia a slut and a whore, admitted it to Lydia, and Lydia – the suicidal whackjob who was threatening to cut herself multiple times because the toe-fucker wasn’t talking to her – dealt with it a million times better than Russell. Russell is flat-out crazy, and I mean that in the worst way possible. Ronnie said he wanted to tell the truth about Michelle but the producers wouldn’t let him, so instead he would just tell the truth that she’s the worst human being he ever met. His original version was to say she was mentally ill, had night terrors, and was the dumbest person ever to get a Phd. Or something along those lines. Stay classy, Ronnie. The great irony is that Ronnie basically just hated her because she is socially awkward and doesn’t have any people skills. (She is and she doesn’t.) Ronnie doesn’t seem to understand that he is the same; just his ratty presence is annoying in the extreme. This guy is so deluded that he actually believed going in that he’d have a big target on his back because of a) his EXPERT knowledge of Big Brother, and b) his award-winning social skills. I’m not kidding. He apparently won a “persuasive speaking” contest or something, so he thinks that means he has great people skills. To quote Frasier Crane: “What color is the sky in your world?” ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/128 "2009-08-07T03:52:29Z")
By the way, tonight went absolutely perfect for all of us Jeff & Jordan fans and/or Jessie & Natalie haters. Jeff doesn’t have HoH so he isn’t a week-long target. Neither Jessie nor Natalie won the HoH, so at least one of them will be vulnerable to his power. Then the following week he can compete for HoH after nominating two players. That’s pretty sweet. Chima hates Russell and Lydia, so those two are almost certainly going up. She won’t listen to Jessie and Natalie for a second; she’ll nominate whoever the fuck she wants. In an ideal world, neither Jessie nor Natalie will even be picked to compete in the PoV, meaning Jeff can switch both nominees out and put the evil duo on the block. Even if they compete, Russell will have an excellent chance to win PoV anyway. The real trick will be for Jeff to convince Kevin, Lydia and Jordan to vote out Jessie over Natalie without implying that he has the Coop Deetaw. (heh) One thing that the recappers are starting to say over and over again is they think Jordan may be the smartest person in the house. She is consistently reading every single person correctly, believing everyone who is telling the truth and not believing a single lie. She also seems to be able to sense when shenanigans are afoot before anyone else. Jeff, bless his heart, is not very good with this, though he isn’t the worst. (Michelle is by far the worst.) Jeff’s aptitude for challenges (runner up in two HoHs, won a PoV) combined with Jordan’s ability to read people make them a formidable team. They are a likable version of Rob & Amber from Survivor / TAR. ---
**Author:** ![Polly\_Glot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9de053/32.png) [@Polly\_Glot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polly_Glot)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/129 "2009-08-07T04:27:23Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > …Lydia’s makeup was seriously creepy, btw. It was like eyes floating in the dark. Just had to pop out of lurkerdom to say this is a stupendous username/post combo. 🙂 Oh, and, um… go Michelle! ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/130 "2009-08-07T10:26:57Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > By the way, tonight went absolutely perfect for all of us Jeff & Jordan fans and/or Jessie & Natalie haters… Absolutely. As long as Jeff uses it properly. I don’t care if it’s Natalie or Jesse that goes home next week, as long as it’sone of them. ---
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/131 "2009-08-07T12:47:18Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Lydia’s makeup was seriously creepy, btw. It was like eyes floating in the dark. She reminded me of the McDonald’s Hamburglar. I have a question about the Coup d’Etat. I know that Jeff can save one or both of the nominees. Does he also get to choose who goes up as a replacement? If not, it makes it a lot trickier. He wouldn’t want to pull someone off only to have Jordan go up. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/132 "2009-08-07T12:52:10Z")
Yep, he makes the replacement pick(s). ---
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/133 "2009-08-07T12:58:32Z")
Sweet. I love it that Queen Chima thinks she has the power this week but in reality she has none. It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving person (well, except Natalie, maybe). I just hope Jeff uses his brain and sees that he needs to put Jessie and Natalie up. We’ll just hope neither of them wins the veto this week. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/134 "2009-08-07T13:06:07Z")
The veto won’t even help them. Chima makes the noms, let’s say Russell and Kevin just as an example. No matter what happens with the veto, Jeff gets the chance to use the Coup d’Tat right at the eviction ceremony. So it’s totally last minute. ---
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/135 "2009-08-07T13:16:58Z")
Julie said last night that two people are safe from the Coup d’Etat: the HOH and POV winner. So if Russell and Kevin are on the block and Jessie wins the POV, Jeff can take Russell and Kevin down and put Natalie up, but not Jessie, because the veto winner can’t be nominated. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/136 "2009-08-07T13:27:11Z")
IIRC, there are two players that Jeff cannot use as a replacement nominee, Chima (as HOH) and whoever wins the POV. So if Jeff wants both Jesse or Natalie as nominees, he better hope someone besides Jesse and Natalie wins POV. I wonder if Jeff was smart enough to intentionally throw the HOH competition last night? Does , Natalie, Chima, and Jesse realize that the special power must be someone on the other side? Since it wasn 't used last night, they would have to suspect that Jordan or Jeff would have it. So would that impact who Chima nominates? ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/137 "2009-08-07T13:36:22Z")
> [@yellowval](#): > > Julie said last night that two people are safe from the Coup d’Etat: the HOH and POV winner. So if Russell and Kevin are on the block and Jessie wins the POV, Jeff can take Russell and Kevin down and put Natalie up, but not Jessie, because the veto winner can’t be nominated. Yes, that’s correct. But one of the Evil 3 (Jessie, Natalie and Chima) can definitely be put up. Chima is protected, but only one of the other 2 can be safe. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/138 "2009-08-07T20:32:01Z")
These aren’t really spoilers, but as of last night the HGs believed the following about the Cootie Taw:[spoiler]Everyone is positive Michelle or possibly Kevin got it. Chima is pissed that her HoH reign is nerfed by the power. Natalie is positive that nobody will use the power other than to save themself because that would just paint a target on your back. She is going around making this logic crystal clear to everyone. Based on that, she’s trying to come up with a strategic pair for Chima to put up, but of course Chima just wants to put up Russell and Michelle/Kevin. Jessie is convinced he’s going home. Michele is hanging in there. (Go Michele!) Jeff is doing a fantastic job acting the part. When Natalie came to him with her “power should only save yourself” argument, Jeff was like “Fuck that. I’d use it if I had it. I don’t care, I’m always on the bottom anyway.” hehheh. Based on conversations all last week, it’s all but certain he will put up Jessie and Natalie. Note that unlike everything else in the house, we are unable to spy on his thought process for using the power since he can’t talk to anyone about it. If one of them wins PoV, the question becomes interesting. I can offer no live feed insight to this contingency; it would be pure guesswork.[/spoiler]I’d say Natalie is one of the better game players in the house, if not the best. She is always running the angles, using every situation to her best strategic advantage. I think she is the primary reason Jessie has been so untouchable all season. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/139 "2009-08-07T20:39:29Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I’d say Natalie is one of the better game players in the house, if not the best. She is always running the angles, using every situation to her best strategic advantage. I think she is the primary reason Jessie has been so untouchable all season. Case in point:[spoiler]For the past 2-3 days Natalie has been reaching out to Jeff and Jordan to try and build a side-alliance. And she is not messing with them; she’s working equally hard to get Jessie on board with an honest-to-god alliance with Jeff and Jordan. She (correctly) assessed that she could never convince Jordan, so has been individually working Jeff and Jessie super hard. Her main goal is to get Michele, Lydia and Kevin out, then worry about the whole Russell / Jeff / Jordan thing. She was obviously thrilled by the Chima/Russell/Michele drama and was right in there every step of the way to egg on all the erupting conflicts. Jessie, meanwhile, despises Kevin for not being a strong challenge player who gets rewarded anyway. (Never on the block, first off the swing and won $5,000. The NERVE!) Jessie is starting to get super paranoid about an all-girl alliance, “and of course, Kevin is a girl.”)[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-brother-season-xi-edited-title/502477/140 "2009-08-10T14:20:54Z")
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