# Big game hunter hunted and killed **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184 "2022-09-08T04:11:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/1 "2022-09-08T04:11:43Z")
South African outfitter who was known for shooting big game and having his pic taken with dead animals found shot dead. Motive not known. No suspects at the moment. > **[Trophy hunter shot dead and left on the side of the road in South Africa -...](https://globalnews.ca/news/8971557/trophy-hunter-riaan-naude-shot-dead-south-africa/?dicbo=v2-822e4abf8e1d6b3528e371b2991b9a4d)** > > Riaan Naude was an avid trophy hunter and ran a business that helped tourists hunt large African animals. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/2 "2022-09-08T04:20:47Z")
This happened in July. But in these dark times, we can always celebrate good news once again. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/3 "2022-09-08T04:23:49Z")
my google-news-fu is not the best. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/4 "2022-09-08T04:42:41Z")
A fitting cartoon … 🙂 [![](https://i.imgur.com/sH2cktG.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/sH2cktG.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/5 "2022-09-08T04:49:11Z")
Perhaps we could make this an omnibus “good news” thread. > **[Rhino Poacher Killed by Elephant and Eaten by Lions, Officials Say (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/world/africa/south-africa-poacher-rhino-lions.html)** > > Officials at Kruger National Park in South Africa said only a skull and a pair of pants were recovered. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/6 "2022-09-08T04:49:16Z")
You think a murder is good news? ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/7 "2022-09-08T04:52:03Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > But in these dark times, we can always celebrate good news once again. How is murder good news? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/8 "2022-09-08T04:54:05Z")
Do you think it is impossible for a murder to be good news? ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/9 "2022-09-08T04:58:52Z")
OK…how is THIS murder good news? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/10 "2022-09-08T05:04:12Z")
The irony of the situation is humorous. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/11 "2022-09-08T13:22:57Z")
Evidently whoever wrote the copy in the linked news story is gloating, or at least remarking on the irony of the hunter’s death: > [@](#): > > A trophy hunter who was known for killing large animals and helping others do the same was shot and left for dead on the side of the road in South Africa, police have confirmed. While it doesn’t seem likely, he could have been the inadvertent victim of another hunter. _You just stand there looking cute_ _And when something moves, you shoot_ - Tom Lehrer ---
**Author:** ![FloatyGimpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/floatygimpy/32/7750_2.png) [@FloatyGimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloatyGimpy)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/12 "2022-09-08T13:32:16Z")
I think they’re both good news but the guy killed by elephants is extra good. Poachers and big game hunters are scum. When I was in Africa we were driving through the Serengeti and two armed guards flagged us down and we gave them a lift to their station about 10 miles away. They told us they shoot poachers on site and ask questions later. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/13 "2022-09-08T13:49:36Z")
Is the real question not “can murder be good news?” but rather, “is homicide ever justified, and is it justified in this case?” Doesn’t murder mean “unjustified homicide?” IANAL ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/14 "2022-09-08T14:00:59Z")
They could mount the guy’s head and display it in the lion house at the zoo. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/15 "2022-09-08T14:19:28Z")
> [@Kropotkin](#): > > Doesn’t murder mean “unjustified homicide?” I’d say it means _unlawful_ homicide. I don’t think “justified murder” is an oxymoron. Which is not to say I’m suggesting this murder - almost certainly just random crime - was justified. Rather that the _outcome_ is good news. > [@Kropotkin](#): > > IANAL And fwiw, I think lawyers are the experts in what is lawful, not what is just. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/16 "2022-09-08T14:23:50Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > While it doesn’t seem likely, he could have been the inadvertent victim of another hunter. It’s possible - but as you say, unlikely, probably just random crime, since it occurred when his car broke down by the side of the road. ---
**Author:** ![dolphinboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dolphinboy/32/330_2.png) [@dolphinboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolphinboy)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/17 "2022-09-08T16:50:33Z")
If it turns out an animal rights activist killed him, I wouldn’t be surprised, but murdering someone hunting legally seems a bit harsh. Now, if he was hunting illegally, all bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/18 "2022-09-08T17:59:37Z")
You can’t equate poachers and big game hunters. They are not nearly the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/19 "2022-09-08T18:02:11Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > You can’t equate poachers and big game hunters. No difference as far as I (and the animals slaughtered) am concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184/20 "2022-09-08T18:16:09Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > You can’t equate poachers and big game hunters. Of course not. They are different _kinds_ of scumbag. I have no problem with subsistence hunting. Culling is sometimes necessary, or the protection of livestock. And there are limited circumstances when _celebrating_ the death of an animal might be understandable and appropriate - perhaps if a villager hunted down a predator that had been terrorizing their community. But someone who hunts down an animal, especially a highly intelligent animal like an elephant, just to display toxic dominance and revel in its death as though killing it is a noble achievement? That is the worst of humanity. On a disinterested rational basis, you might justifiably argue that this man caused far less unnecessary suffering and harm to animals than a factory farmer. But he chose to goad people by posing arrogantly with his kills as on Facebook posts, so fuck him, he gets no sympathy from me. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/big-game-hunter-hunted-and-killed/971184.md?page=2)