# Biggest lie about the third debate: "bad hombres" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 20, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185 "2016-10-20T22:12:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/1 "2016-10-20T22:12:08Z")
Donald Trump did not say “bad hombres” (Spanish for “bad guys”) [He clearly said “bad hambres”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AneeacsvNwU#t=38s) (Spanish for “bad hungers”) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/2 "2016-10-20T22:15:32Z")
The taco trucks will take care of that. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/3 "2016-10-20T22:22:01Z")
This totally deserved its own thread. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/4 "2016-10-20T22:25:49Z")
[Transcript.](http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-vs-clinton-in-third-presidential-debate-2016-full-transcript-170987/page3.html) > [@](#): > > One of my first acts will be to get all of the drug lords, all of the bad ones we have some bad, bad people in this country that have to go out. We’re going to get them out; we’re going to secure the border. And once the border is secured, at a later date, we’ll make a determination as to the rest. **But we have some bad hombres here** , and we’re going to get them out. The whole segment has to do with drug lords and bad people. “Bad hungers” makes no sense whatsoever except to a Trumpist. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/5 "2016-10-20T22:35:59Z")
It (surprisingly) sounds like the correct Spanish pronunciation of _hombre_ to me. ---
**Author:** ![dracoi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dracoi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dracoi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/6 "2016-10-20T22:51:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Transcript.](http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-vs-clinton-in-third-presidential-debate-2016-full-transcript-170987/page3.html) > > The whole segment has to do with drug lords and bad people. “Bad hungers” makes no sense whatsoever except to a Trumpist. I don’t know… are you sure Trump isn’t suggesting that cannibalism is the solution to illegal border crossings? It’s certainly a strong negotiating position when you’re talking about trade deals. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/7 "2016-10-20T23:21:34Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > This totally deserved its own thread. Agreed! > [@running\_coach](#): > > [Transcript.](http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-vs-clinton-in-third-presidential-debate-2016-full-transcript-170987/page3.html) > > The whole segment has to do with drug lords and bad people. “Bad hungers” makes no sense whatsoever except to a Trumpist. Agreed! I was making fun of Trump’s pronunciation of Spanish: > [@dracoi](#): > > I don’t know… are you sure Trump isn’t suggesting that cannibalism is the solution to illegal border crossings? It’s certainly a strong negotiating position when you’re talking about trade deals. 🙂 Agreed! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/8 "2016-10-20T23:42:42Z")
I’m pretty sure Mr Trump was talking about bad hombergs and was promising to regulate the hat industry if elected. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/9 "2016-10-20T23:59:03Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It (surprisingly) sounds like the correct Spanish pronunciation of _hombre_ to me. High school Español was a long time ago but the OP is correct. That’s an “a” sound, not an “o” sound. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/10 "2016-10-21T00:02:50Z")
I wonder if a Spanish instance of the Caught-cot issue. Cause I don’t hear any difference from how everybody else says Hombre. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/11 "2016-10-21T00:26:35Z")
> [@dracoi](#): > > I don’t know… are you sure Trump isn’t suggesting that cannibalism is the solution to illegal border crossings? It’s certainly a strong negotiating position when you’re talking about trade deals. 🙂 Not likely. Trump has never been known for _modest_ proposals. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/12 "2016-10-21T00:47:26Z")
I heard “hambre” as well, but that is a variant American English pronunciation of “hombre”, at least it was until the end of the 20th century. I don’t hear it much any more, perhaps because people are becoming increasingly aware that it’s not actually pronounced that way in Spanish. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/13 "2016-10-21T02:21:57Z")
> [@](#): > > all of the drug lords, all of the bad ones we have some bad, bad people in this country that have to go out In the aftermath of this clamp down on the bad drug lords, will the good drug lords will be warmly welcomed and able to claim a tax deduction on their “Great Wall Construction” ™ levies? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/14 "2016-10-21T02:58:02Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > I wonder if a Spanish instance of the Caught-cot issue. Cause I don’t hear any difference from how everybody else says Hombre. In Spanish, the H is silent and the O represents a rounded vowel—like in “corn” rather than the father vowel. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/15 "2016-10-21T03:02:37Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > In the aftermath of this clamp down on the bad drug lords, will the good drug lords will be warmly welcomed and able to claim a tax deduction on their “Great Wall Construction” ™ levies? Great, the only silver lining I was seeing with a Trump presidency was thinking he would deport Martin Shkreli. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/16 "2016-10-21T03:05:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Great, the only silver lining I was seeing with a Trump presidency was thinking he would deport Martin Shkreli. I would assume Shkreli would be Secretary of Health and Human Services in a Trump administration. ---
**Author:** ![syncrolecyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@syncrolecyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/syncrolecyne)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/17 "2016-10-21T07:13:21Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > I wonder if a Spanish instance of the Caught-cot issue. Cause I don’t hear any difference from how everybody else says Hombre. Different Spanish accents can be all over the place with some consonants, especially soft c/z, soft g/x/j, ll/y, rr, s, and so on. But every Spanish dialect seems to have the exact same crisp and basic vowel sounds, a, e, i, o, u. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/18 "2016-10-21T10:04:39Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It (surprisingly) sounds like the correct Spanish pronunciation of _hombre_ to me. Con acento de patata. His pronunciation was cringeworthy, and only understood in context. Spanish verbs are a hellish nightmare, but this is a language with only five vowel sounds, regardless of one’s dialect. It should be easy not to fuck it up. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/19 "2016-10-21T12:09:37Z")
Hey, at least he managed to avoid the Jache… ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185/20 "2016-10-21T13:05:13Z")
[From the _Washington Post_:](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trumps-bad-hombres-echoes-on-both-sides-of-the-border/2016/10/20/3d6fb1c8-9682-11e6-9cae-2a3574e296a6_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop_b) > [@](#): > > Donald Trump’s utterance of “bad hombres” during Wednesday night’s presidential debate echoed across both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border. > > Within minutes, the Republican nominee was getting a lashing about his mangling of English and Spanish… > > At a Mexico City barbecue restaurant, an assortment of Mexicans and expats guffawed at “bad hombres.” > > “I think the way that Trump has talked about Mexicans from the start of the campaign is to call them rapists, criminals, he hasn’t changed,” Santiago Betancourt said at [Pinche Gringo BBQ](http://www.pgbbq.mx/), where about 200 people gathered to watch the debate. “Trump maybe echoes or uses arguments that exist among an American class that he’s betting can make him president. I don’t think it’s a presidential discourse.” The website still has a notice for “El Final Pinche Presidential Debate 2016.” And the menu includes such exotic dishes as Potato Salad and Mac & Cheese… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biggest-lie-about-the-third-debate-bad-hombres/769185.md?page=2)