# Bill Clinton and Jones/Willey/Broaddrick, revisited **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 24, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clinton-and-jones-willey-broaddrick-revisited/802564 "2017-11-24T00:17:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clinton-and-jones-willey-broaddrick-revisited/802564/61 "2017-11-28T15:44:04Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You know, it’s disturbing to me that fellow progressives are so invested in their heroes that they can’t admit that those heroes were far from perfect and that we can and should do better in the future. Maybe you’re perfectly happy to be just a little bit better than the GOP. Me, I prefer we set our bar a lot higher. How did we get from “not as bad as some people say” to “perfect”? Lots of people in this thread have pointed out that Bill was a lying, cheating horndog. That’s already an acceptance of the fact that he was “far from perfect”, and he certainly isn’t a “hero”. The question is whether he committed sexual assault and/or rape, and there is ample evidence to cast doubt on (but not - and let’s be clear here - refute) those accusations. Such evidence is not present in the Moore case, despite Moore supporters actively attempting to manufacture some (see the robocall and the Veritas-linked accuser). In fact I’d argue that the attempts to manufacture false counterevidence support the idea that real counterevidence doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clinton-and-jones-willey-broaddrick-revisited/802564/62 "2017-11-28T16:26:16Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > you’re objecting to a discussion about Bill Clinton from 30 years ago? Wow. Hardly. :rolleyes: Do please read posts you’re replying to before you reply to them. I’m getting bored with reminding you. > [@](#): > > Let’s get this straight Excellent idea. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clinton-and-jones-willey-broaddrick-revisited/802564/63 "2017-11-28T16:39:24Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Hardly. :rolleyes: Do please read posts you’re replying to before you reply to them. I’m getting bored with reminding you. Feel free to stop whenever the boredom becomes too much to bear. In the meantime: > [@RickJay](#): > > I absolutely do not see how it serves as a distraction from Moore. No one in the thread is using it that way or is a Trumpist. Saying one theft is bad doesn’t mean saying other thefts are not bad. > [@Elvis](#): > > In politics, yes, saying “They all do it” does imply “It’s OK if my party’s guy does it too so I can go ahead and vote for him”. Yes, it absolutely is a distraction from Moore. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clinton-and-jones-willey-broaddrick-revisited/802564/64 "2017-11-28T18:25:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You know, it’s disturbing to me that fellow progressives are so invested in their heroes that they can’t admit that those heroes were far from perfect Nobody else is saying anyone was perfect, **QS**. Except Bernie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clinton-and-jones-willey-broaddrick-revisited/802564.md?page=3)