# Bill Clinton's penis a lock to move back into White House? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809 "2015-12-18T23:14:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/241 "2015-12-28T02:01:26Z")
Um, I actually sort of agree with **adaher** here. I mean, I think Anthony Weiner is probably harmless, and I sort of understand what John Edwards did. But Bill Clinton is pretty much the poster child for “Democrats are OK with sexual harassment.” Look at the recent case of [Trevor FitzGibbon.](http://www.vox.com/2015/12/21/10632508/fitzgibbon-sexual-harassment-progressive) He probably thought he was basically a harmless guy flirting with co-workers. But he was their\* boss,\* they were his _employees,_ and it was a problem. Many modern progressives, to their credit, are trying to deal with this kind of business culture. Clinton Democrats, otoh, insist that not only is it unimportant, but even in a nominating contest, we supposedly want someone who has enabled it. And you know what? That is a small thing. But it accompanies bigger issues. Hillary is aligned to Wall Street. She seems to only endorse conservation issues or QUILTBAG issues when the polls indicate it’s more useful to support than to oppose them. She’s a fair-weather friend of feminism, QUILTBAG rights, environmentalism, and, well, of the 99%. But we’re asked to support her why again? Because Wall Street and the donors like her? Those guys are the problem! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/242 "2015-12-28T02:48:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bullshit. She has a long history of support for women. As long as they don’t threaten her inner circle with their complaints, sure. It’s a bit like saying that GWB has a long history of support for the military. Obama, while not a sexual harasser, also seems to have a lot of support for women, as long as they aren’t part of his team of advisors and as long as he gets to pay them less. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/243 "2015-12-28T02:56:54Z")
If we could make Barack Obama disown Jeremiah Wright, you don’t think we can make Hillary disown her husband? Or at least have to give a major speech condemning his behavior? She has never actually condemned his behavior except to the extent it has affected HER. I don’t think she’ll be able to maintain that if she’s the nominee. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/244 "2015-12-28T03:06:29Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Per the title of the OP and further posts, what is ‘a lock’? > > Seriously curious. It means a sure thing, it will definitely happen. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/245 "2015-12-28T05:03:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If we could make Barack Obama disown Jeremiah Wright, you don’t think we can make Hillary disown her husband? Or at least have to give a major speech condemning his behavior? She has never actually condemned his behavior except to the extent it has affected HER. I don’t think she’ll be able to maintain that if she’s the nominee. This is such a bullshit comparison. Bill Clinton’s behavior had been discussed ad nauseum for decades. There’s no new issue here to discuss, and the American people don’t seem to have any interest in more discussion on Bill’s private life. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/246 "2015-12-28T05:09:51Z")
THe context is new, at least if she wants to present herself as the champion of all women who don’t complain about the behavior of those in her inner circle. And it does matter, because how will she handle sexual harassment allegations against high government officials that are close to her? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/247 "2015-12-28T05:13:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > THe context is new, at least if she wants to present herself as the champion of all women who don’t complain about the behavior of those in her inner circle. > > And it does matter, because how will she handle sexual harassment allegations against high government officials that are close to her? No, nothing about it is new, or matters. It’s all extremely old and pointless. Defense of one’s husband has no bearing on any governmental issues. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/248 "2015-12-28T05:15:08Z")
And of course the media still hasn’t covered clintons love of traveling on the Lolita Express to Orgy Island with Epstein and his underage sex partners. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/249 "2015-12-28T05:24:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And of course the media still hasn’t covered clintons love of traveling on the Lolita Express to Orgy Island with Epstein and his underage sex partners. They also haven’t adequately covered Obama’s links to extraterrestrial time travel! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/250 "2015-12-28T05:26:37Z")
Be serious now. It is a fact that Clinton travelled on Epstein’s plane 11 times and was in the presence of his underage girls. There is no evidence(yet) that Clinton diddled any of them, but the media will be looking, you can bet on that. And what is proven is damning enough. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/251 "2015-12-28T05:36:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Be serious now. It is a fact that Clinton travelled on Epstein’s plane 11 times and was in the presence of his underage girls. There is no evidence(yet) that Clinton diddled any of them, but the media will be looking, you can bet on that. And what is proven is damning enough. I don’t believe anything you say without a cite - cite that Bill was in the presence of underage sex workers or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/252 "2015-12-28T05:45:33Z")
> **[Flight Logs Put Clinton, Dershowitz on Pedophile Billionaire’s Sex Jet](https://www.gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971)** > > Bill Clinton took repeated trips on the " > Lolita Express"—the private passenger jet owned by billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein—with an actress in softcore porn movies whose name appears in Epstein's address book under an entry for "massages,"... But yeah, you haven’t heard much about it yet because it’s hanging around the right wing media and tabloid media. But much like the Edwards scandal, it’s real and it will bubble up in the mainstream media eventually. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/253 "2015-12-28T05:51:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > [http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971](http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971) > > But yeah, you haven’t heard much about it yet because it’s hanging around the right wing media and tabloid media. But much like the Edwards scandal, it’s real and it will bubble up in the mainstream media eventually. Why do you make shit up so often? There’s nothing in there that he was in the presence of underage sex workers. Why why why do you do this so fucking often? Why can’t you just check your fucking facts before you post? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/254 "2015-12-28T05:57:07Z")
Ah, but another source shows that we have a witness, as well as flight logs: > [@](#): > > According to Virginia Roberts, who claims to have been one of Epstein’s many teenage sex slaves, Clinton also visited Epstein’s private Caribbean retreat, known as “Orgy Island.” > Modal Trigger > Is Bill Clinton’s baggage going to derail Hillary Clinton’s presidential hopes?Photo: WireImage > > “I remember asking Jeffrey, ‘What’s Bill Clinton doing here?’” Roberts said in 2011. The former president, she added, was accompanied by four young girls during his stay — two of whom were among Epstein’s regular sex partners. “And [Jeffrey] laughed it off and said, ‘Well, he owes me a favor.’ He never told me what favors they were.” > **[Bill’s libido threatens to derail Hillary — again](https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/)** > > She hasn’t even announced, but the question has already resurfaced: Will Bill Clinton’s baggage derail Hillary Clinton’s presidential hopes? Just a few weeks ago, reports broke that Bill Clinton ha… ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/255 "2015-12-28T05:58:10Z")
Now of course these stories might not be true, but if you want to bet the White House on it, given his history, be my guest. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/256 "2015-12-28T06:04:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Ah, but another source shows that we have a witness, as well as flight logs: > > [Bill’s libido threatens to derail Hillary — again](http://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/) The flight logs say nothing about underage girls, and neither does this link. “young” doesn’t mean underage. You’re just so eager to lap up conspiracy bullshit about Democrats that you’ll accept any random accusation, and what’s worse, you’ll embellish and make shit up to make it sound better. Terrible, terrible posting, and you should be ashamed as a Doper that you do it so often. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/257 "2015-12-28T06:10:10Z")
The woman does say she was one of his “teenage sex slaves” and she saw Clinton on the plane, and he was accompanied by four of Epstein’s girls. Maybe they weren’t underage. Probably doesn’t matter, since Clinton wasn’t having sex with them, at least according to what we know now. But you have to admit, just being this close to Epstein’s activities without raising a question or a peep looks bad. The BEST case scenario if this story breaks into the mainstream is that it looks bad. And again, are you really willing to bet that Bill Clinton draws the line at girls of indeterminate legality when tempted? Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/258 "2015-12-28T06:14:55Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The woman does say she was one of his “teenage sex slaves” and she saw Clinton on the plane, and he was accompanied by four of Epstein’s girls. > > Maybe they weren’t underage. Probably doesn’t matter, since Clinton wasn’t having sex with them, at least according to what we know now. > > But you have to admit, just being this close to Epstein’s activities without raising a question or a peep looks bad. The BEST case scenario if this story breaks into the mainstream is that it looks bad. > > And again, are you really willing to bet that Bill Clinton draws the line at girls of indeterminate legality when tempted? Good luck with that. So you make outrageous accusations and walk them back when called on it. Pathetic. Not surprising, and pretty routine for you, but still pathetic. Wouldn’t you like to shed this reputation? It would take very little effort… Just read over your posts every time, and make sure every factual claim you make is actually true, word for word, with a cite ready, before you post. Why not try to do this? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/259 "2015-12-28T06:16:38Z")
Interestingly enough, Alan Dershowitz actually is implicated in sex with underage girls, according to the court deposition: > **[Alan Dershowitz tried to discredit girl who accused Jeffrey Epstein of rape](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/08/alan-dershowitz-girl-jeffrey-epstein-teenager)** > > Harvard law professor recruited private investigators to track girl and suggested that the unnamed teenager was pursuing Epstein for money And Dershowitz was very aggressive in defending Epstein, probably because his fate was tied to his. > [@](#): > > Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard University professor accused alongside Prince Andrew of having sexual relations with a teenage associate of their friend Jeffrey Epstein, was also involved in an effort to discredit a teenage girl who accused Epstein of rape. > > Dershowitz, who strongly denies the allegations about his own conduct, recruited private investigators to carry out inquiries on the girl while acting for Epstein’s defence team and sent police printed copies of her MySpace page, claiming it displayed a “fascination with marijuana”. > > The professor also suggested, in a letter obtained by the Guardian, that the girl may be pursuing Epstein, a wealthy banker, for his money, and that as a drama student, she was an expert in misleading people. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/260 "2015-12-28T06:18:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So you make outrageous accusations and walk them back when called on it. Pathetic. Not surprising, and pretty routine for you, but still pathetic. Wouldn’t you like to shed this reputation? It would take very little effort… Just read over your posts every time, and make sure every factual claim you make is actually true, word for word, with a cite ready, before you post. > > Why not try to do this? I walked nothing back. I say it’s a fact that Clinton was on the plane, since flight logs do not generally lie, and there’s a witness who wants nothing from Clinton saying he was there, with four young girls as accompaniment. Now it’s possible the woman is not telling the truth. That’s just acknowledging the possibilities, not walking anything back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809.md?page=14)