# Bill Clinton's penis a lock to move back into White House? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809 "2015-12-18T23:14:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/261 "2015-12-28T06:19:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Interestingly enough, Alan Dershowitz actually is implicated in sex with underage girls, according to the court deposition: > > [Alan Dershowitz tried to discredit girl who accused Jeffrey Epstein of rape | US news | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/08/alan-dershowitz-girl-jeffrey-epstein-teenager) > > And Dershowitz was very aggressive in defending Epstein, probably because his fate was tied to his. Make bullshit accusations, walk them back when called on it, and change the subject when criticized. Typical. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/262 "2015-12-28T06:19:50Z")
I’d love to know what’s “outrageous” about my accusations. Does Clinton have a history of sexual misconduct? Yes. Does Clinton have a history of associating with sleazy characters? Yes. This is hardly outrageous, it’s what he does. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/263 "2015-12-28T06:21:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I walked nothing back. I say it’s a fact that Clinton was on the plane, since flight logs do not generally lie, and there’s a witness who wants nothing from Clinton saying he was there, with four young girls as accompaniment. > > Now it’s possible the woman is not telling the truth. That’s just acknowledging the possibilities, not walking anything back. You said the flight logs state he was with underage sex workers. This is bullshit, and you walked it back. Pathetic and typical. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/264 "2015-12-28T06:21:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Make bullshit accusations, walk them back when called on it, and change the subject when criticized. > > Typical. It’s the same case. You’re lawyering of every issue doesn’t exactly make you look good either. You are not Bill Clinton. The fact that the article says “young women” and “teenage sex slaves” instead of “underage girls” does not actually exonerate Clinton. Yet you try to act as if it does. Typical. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/265 "2015-12-28T06:22:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’d love to know what’s “outrageous” about my accusations. Does Clinton have a history of sexual misconduct? Yes. Does Clinton have a history of associating with sleazy characters? Yes. This is hardly outrageous, it’s what he does. More deflection bullshit. You said it was a fact he was with underage sex workers. This is an entirely bullshit factual assertion. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/266 "2015-12-28T06:22:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You said the flight logs state he was with underage sex workers. This is bullshit, and you walked it back. Pathetic and typical. The flight logs say he was on the plane 11 times. A witness says he was with underage sex workers. Or “young” or “teenagers” if you prefer(the witness probably did not know the exact ages of those with Clinton). ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/267 "2015-12-28T06:23:43Z")
Your statement is completely false. What I said was: > [@](#): > > It is a fact that Clinton travelled on Epstein’s plane 11 times and was in the presence of his underage girls ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/268 "2015-12-28T06:24:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The flight logs say he was on the plane 11 times. A witness says he was with underage sex workers. Or “young” or “teenagers” if you prefer(the witness probably did not know the exact ages of those with Clinton). So you admit you made shit up about the flight logs, and are going by a single assertion that doesn’t say anything about underage girls, and reporting this as a fact, and you still think that’s reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/269 "2015-12-28T06:26:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Your statement is completely false. What I said was: Post #254. No one cares that he was on a plane. You linked the flight logs to underage girls, which was total bullshit. You have nothing here and it’s pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/270 "2015-12-28T06:28:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Your statement is completely false. What I said was: You said it’s a fact he was with underage girls. Pathetic bullshit lie. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/271 "2015-12-28T06:30:38Z")
Ah, more lawyering of words. I said we have a witness, as well as flight logs, in post #254. I did not say they say the exact same thing. The flight logs place Clinton on Epstein’s plane, the witness places Clinton with the young girls. The only part I walked back is that in fact they may or may not have been underage. The witness probably doesn’t know, and I suspect neither did Clinton. If he even cared. Like I said, it looks bad. You don’t have to like it, you just have to accept that it’s going to be a thing. Fox is going to be holding that story for when it will do the most good, and once Fox covers it everyone else has to as well. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/272 "2015-12-28T06:34:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Ah, more lawyering of words. I said we have a witness, as well as flight logs, in post #254. I did not say they say the exact same thing. The flight logs place Clinton on Epstein’s plane, the witness places Clinton with the young girls. The only part I walked back is that in fact they may or may not have been underage. The witness probably doesn’t know, and I suspect neither did Clinton. If he even cared. Like I said, it looks bad. > > You don’t have to like it, you just have to accept that it’s going to be a thing. Fox is going to be holding that story for when it will do the most good, and once Fox covers it everyone else has to as well. There will be plenty of bullshit fake, evidence free “scandals”, like this one. That you repeat it, complete with embellishment (of the only important part, of course - that the girls were underage) that you immediately walk back, reflects very poorly on you. Some combination of extreme laziness and wishful thinking. Either way, pathetic. Wouldn’t you like to do better? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/273 "2015-12-28T06:34:52Z")
Here’s another account from Virginia Roberts that says that Clinton was actually offered two underage girls, but didn’t take the bait: > **[Teenage girl recruited by paedophile Jeffrey Epstein reveals how she twice...](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363452/Bill-Clinton-15-year-old-masseuse-I-met-twice-claims-Epsteins-girl.html#ixzz3Oj8MgbuM)** > > Yet Virginia Roberts stresses that she was never ‘lent out’ to Mr Clinton but claims he travelled with Epstein a number of times on the billionaire’s private aircraft. She also alleges that Clinton knew about Epstein’s pedophilia: > [@](#): > > ‘Bill must have known about Jeffrey’s girls. There were three desks in the living area of the villa on the island. > Speaking out: Virginia, now aged 26, in her new home in Australia > > Speaking out: Virginia, now aged 26, in her new home in Australia > > 'They were covered with pictures of Jeffrey shaking hands with famous people and photos of naked girls, including one of me that Jeffrey had at all his houses, lying in a hammock. > > ‘We all dined together that night. Jeffrey was at the head of the table. Bill was at his left. I sat across from him. Emmy Tayler, Ghislaine’s blonde British assistant, sat at my right. > > ‘Ghislaine was at Bill’s left and at the left of Ghislaine there were two olive-skinned brunettes who’d flown in with us from New York. > > 'I’d never met them before. I’d say they were no older than 17, very innocent-looking. > > ‘They weren’t there for me. They weren’t there for Jeffrey or Ghislaine because I was there to have sex with Jeffrey on the trip. > > ‘Maybe Jeffrey thought they would entertain Bill, but I saw no evidence that he was interested in them. He and Jeffrey and Ghislaine seemed to have a very good relationship. Bill was very funny. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/274 "2015-12-28T06:36:44Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Here’s another account from Virginia Roberts that says that Clinton was actually offered two underage girls, but didn’t take the bait: > > [Bill Clinton and the 15-year-old 'masseuse': I met him twice, claims Epstein's girl | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363452/Bill-Clinton-15-year-old-masseuse-I-met-twice-claims-Epsteins-girl.html#ixzz3Oj8MgbuM) > > She also alleges that Clinton knew about Epstein’s pedophilia: More gleeful spreading of bullshit, no-evidence fake scandals. Have you no shame? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/275 "2015-12-28T06:40:47Z")
A witness can be unreliable, but no evidence? We know he had a close association with Epstein, we know he was on Epstein’s plane, we know he went on that plane to Epstein’s island to party. In that context, a witness saying Clinton was in her presence and also in the presence of other young girls is pretty credible. At least in my opinion. Your mileage may vary, but it’s hardly outrageous or evidence-free or made up. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/276 "2015-12-28T06:44:32Z")
Of course, just his associating with numerous felons is always going to hound him, but this one is particularly awful. Definitely tops the Marc Rich situation, which BTW will also be coming up again. We never did get a chance to hold the Clintons accountable for that one, but we’ll have a chance in 2016. And that one does involve Hillary. It’s also not the only controversial last day pardon we might want to ask her about. How can we be sure she won’t pardon her criminal friends on her last day in office? But that’s another thread.🙂 But then again, maybe all Clinton bad behavior should be in this thread, or else we’d have to create a whole forum for it. The pardons, the sexual misconduct, the campaign finance ethics issues, the getting extremely wealthy off supposed charity work, plus their foundation’s really poor(by intention?) bookkeeping. Just so much stuff to cover. Thank God for Donald Trump, which will keep the really juicy stuff out of the media until the general election campaign starts. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/277 "2015-12-28T06:50:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > A witness can be unreliable, but no evidence? We know he had a close association with Epstein, we know he was on Epstein’s plane, we know he went on that plane to Epstein’s island to party. In that context, a witness saying Clinton was in her presence and also in the presence of other young girls is pretty credible. At least in my opinion. Your mileage may vary, but it’s hardly outrageous or evidence-free or made up. So you’ve moved from “underage” to not so (and that’s the only part that would make this a scandal at all), and now you’ve moved from “fact” to maybe-there’s-evidence. Folks, if you’ve ever wanted to know why nothing sticks to Bill, this is why - because his opponents can’t help themselves but make up shit and embellish. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/278 "2015-12-28T06:54:04Z")
And you’re following the standard “muddy the waters” playbook of a professional Clinton apologist. You’re pretty much just making stuff up now. But really, the most eye popping part of your post is that it’s not a scandal if Clinton wasn’t with underage girls? Seriously? If that’s true it just shows how low your expectations have become when it comes to Clinton. Clinton hung out with a dirty old man who liked to have numerous young girls with him to party with, and that didn’t seem problematic at all to him. So at least we agree that this is who Bill Clinton is. And the extremity of his view of the proper role of women(as fuck bunnies) hasn’t really been adequately covered yet by the media. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/279 "2015-12-28T07:04:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And you’re following the standard “muddy the waters” playbook of a professional Clinton apologist. You’re pretty much just making stuff up now. > > But really, the most eye popping part of your post is that it’s not a scandal if Clinton wasn’t with underage girls? Seriously? If that’s true it just shows how low your expectations have become when it comes to Clinton. Clinton hung out with a dirty old man who liked to have numerous young girls with him to party with, and that didn’t seem problematic at all to him. So at least we agree that this is who Bill Clinton is. And the extremity of his view of the proper role of women(as fuck bunnies) hasn’t really been adequately covered yet by the media. Yes, statutory rape / child molestation is a real scandal. “maybe hung out with a guy a few times who tries to live like Leonardo di Caprio” is not. After walking back your own bullshit embellishments and made up shit like it’s a “fact” that Bill was around underage sex workers, it’s even more pathetic that you accuse me of making stuff up. I like you, adaher. But you do this so many times. Why? Why can’t you just take some good advice from a fellow Doper who likes you and wants to have good, fact-based discussions with you, and just put the effort into your posts so that you weren’t constantly having to walk shit back? Can’t you just admit that sometimes you’re a lazy poster who doesn’t check your own assertions? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/280 "2015-12-28T07:17:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, statutory rape / child molestation is a real scandal. “maybe hung out with a guy a few times who tries to live like Leonardo di Caprio” is not. Did hang out extensively with a guy and his girls and didn’t say a word. Now sure, if we’re talking about Chris Rock or something, no big deal. For someone who wants to be First Man, it’s a pretty big deal. I’d hope we hold them to higher standards. But alas, I realize we don’t, or at least Democrats don’t. They see politicians as lowest common denominator without admitting they are lowest common denominator. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809.md?page=15)