# Bill Clinton's penis a lock to move back into White House? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809 "2015-12-18T23:14:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/401 "2016-01-07T02:31:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Vox explains the Clinton rape accusation: > > [The rape allegation against Bill Clinton, explained | Vox](http://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/10722580/bill-clinton-juanita-broaddrick) > [@](#): > > In their 2000 book The Hunting of the President, Joe Conason and Gene Lyons note that the FBI investigated the allegation for Starr’s independent counsel office and found the evidence “inconclusive.” There are no direct witnesses and no physical evidence to back up the accusation. “It’s important to note — and Broaddrick concedes — that aside from her, there are no witnesses and as far as we know; no one saw Clinton enter or leave Broaddrick’s room, or even the hotel,” Myers said in the NBC broadcast. “She took no photos, kept no evidence, and the hotel has no records to confirm that she stayed there.” That said, there are plenty of rapes where the victim has no physical evidence or good witnesses with which to back up her story. The lack of those categories of evidence makes the key question in the case, “Do we believe Broaddrick, or do we believe Clinton?” > > In his memoir The Clinton Wars, White House aide Sidney Blumenthal notes that when Paula Jones’s lawyers first approached Broaddrick, she refused to cooperate, and upon being subpoenaed signed an affidavit saying, “I do not have any information to offer regarding a nonconsensual or unwelcome sexual advance by Mr. Clinton.” Only after that did she file another affidavit insisting the assault did occur, at which point, Blumenthal argues, she “had no standing as a reliable witness.” That’s one interpretation. What I do remember was that Kenneth Star did say that her claim was inconclusive. No problem for the Captain Ahab crew; I do think it was Star and the right wing media, besides leaking embarrassing items of Broaderick too, who did threaten Broaddrick to come out anyhow or else she would be accused and sent to a jury for lying under oath and other things. Back then IIRC her son and many others thought that it was likely that she would be in trouble for filing an affadavit with Paula Jones’ lawyers saying Clinton did not assault her. Ratting on Clinton with inconclusive accusations or not makes sense under that pressure. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/402 "2016-01-07T04:37:13Z")
So I’m sure Hillary will be backing off her claim that rape accusers should be believed and supported, since there is no evidence disproving her claim. I dare say that what Hillary said was un-American and unbefitting a lawyer. People are innocent until proven guilty. It doesn’t mean that we should necessarily disbelieve rape accusers, but assuming belief also assumes guilt on the part of the accused. Fine for an average citizen, not so fine for a Presidential candidate who is supposed to take an oath to defend our Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/403 "2016-01-07T04:47:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So I’m sure Hillary will be backing off her claim that rape accusers should be believed and supported, since there is no evidence disproving her claim. That only works by willfully ignoring that originally Broaddrick even refused to play along and even signed an affidavit claiming that she was not violated. > [@adaher](#): > > I dare say that what Hillary said was un-American and unbefitting a lawyer. People are innocent until proven guilty. It doesn’t mean that we should necessarily disbelieve rape accusers, but assuming belief also assumes guilt on the part of the accused. Fine for an average citizen, not so fine for a Presidential candidate who is supposed to take an oath to defend our Constitution. The case of Broaddick shows that it has little to do with what you are claiming here as Kenneth Star can tell you. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/404 "2016-01-07T05:01:54Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That only works by willfully ignoring that originally Broaddrick even refused to play along and even signed an affidavit claiming that she was not violated. Which proves nothing. But there is evidence in support of her claim. First, the lip biting, which Gennifer Flowers corroborated is something Clinton does, and second, her friends say she told them about the rape right after it happened. The Starr investigation didn’t just find some lady and tell her to say she was raped. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/405 "2016-01-07T05:08:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Which proves nothing. But there is evidence in support of her claim. First, the lip biting, which Gennifer Flowers corroborated is something Clinton does, and second, her friends say she told them about the rape right after it happened. The Starr investigation didn’t just find some lady and tell her to say she was raped. Of course it proves nothing to you since it would make you look ridiculous by omitting that detail. And Starr also saw that lip biting as inconclusive because it is more likely that she explained that away originally to him as consensual. The point is that even Starr decided to not use Brodderick as she would most likely be trounced as an unreliable witness in the courts. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/406 "2016-01-07T05:24:02Z")
Inconclusive still falls into Hillary’s “She should be believed” statement. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/407 "2016-01-07T05:36:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Inconclusive still falls into Hillary’s “She should be believed” statement. Again, she came forward by denying that she was raped, changing her history under duress. You are only falling into the stupid argument ways. The point stands, “She should be believed” does at least require an accusation that was not contradicted by her own testimony. But then again stupid arguments are par for the course for you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/408 "2016-01-07T13:19:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So I’m sure Hillary will be backing off her claim that rape accusers should be believed and supported, since there is no evidence disproving her claim. > > I dare say that what Hillary said was un-American and unbefitting a lawyer. People are innocent until proven guilty. It doesn’t mean that we should necessarily disbelieve rape accusers, but assuming belief also assumes guilt on the part of the accused. Fine for an average citizen, not so fine for a Presidential candidate who is supposed to take an oath to defend our Constitution. In general, women who say they have been attacked should be believed and supported. Hillary is right on this. It’s entirely reasonable to believe this while also accepting that false rape accusations occur. So, in general, you should believe and support women who say they have been victimized, while recognizing that false accusations still occur. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/409 "2016-01-07T13:25:58Z")
They should be believed and supported, as long as her husband isn’t the accused. Then they should be disbelieved and a campaign to discredit them should begin, with Clinton surrogates saying incredibly nasty things like “If you drag a $50 bill through a trailor park…” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/410 "2016-01-07T13:31:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They should be believed and supported, as long as her husband isn’t the accused. “All women should be believed” just means all women are entitled to due process. It does not mean that all women who claim to have been raped are entitled to a conviction of the accused. Bubba’s accusers got their due process. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/411 "2016-01-07T13:38:03Z")
She did not make a legal statement and no one opposes due process for rape victims, so her statement makes no sense if you interpret it that way. But I guess nonsensical is better than hypocritical, so whatever floats your boat. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/412 "2016-01-07T14:01:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They should be believed and supported, as long as her husband isn’t the accused. Then they should be disbelieved and a campaign to discredit them should begin, with Clinton surrogates saying incredibly nasty things like “If you drag a $50 bill through a trailor park…” From reading the summaries of the Broaddrick case that I can find, any ‘campaign’ to discredit her (if such a campaign existed) was lead by journalists and Broaddrick herself. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/413 "2016-01-07T14:06:32Z")
Broaddrick was probably telling the truth, but which time – when she said the rape occurred, or when she said it absolutely didn’t and Bill made no advance on her? With no other evidence or witnesses, it’s not possible to logically and reasonably determine which instance is true. If one is inclined to believe that Bill Clinton is an evil rapist and Hillary is her monstrous enabler, then that would lead you in one direction. I’m not convinced (and I especially don’t hold Hillary responsible for any crimes or misbehavior of her husband). Even if Broaddrick’s reports of rape are 100% true, it wouldn’t change my vote – Hillary as the wife of a rapist (if true) is _still_ a much, much better option as America’s next President than any of the Republicans running. The country would be far, far better, safer, more prosperous, more free, etc., with her in charge than with any of the Republicans (especially Cruz, Trump, or Rubio). It would change my opinion of Bill Clinton, but not of whether Hillary or the Republican is a better choice for President. _That’s how incredibly bad for America any of the Republican candidates are, in my view._ ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/414 "2016-01-07T15:01:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > no one opposes due process for rape victims Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/415 "2016-01-08T03:21:02Z")
Well, she’s decided to actively make an issue of it and Bill is being asked about it: [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/07/see-bill-clintons-response-when-reporter-confronts-him-over-rape-allegation-resurfacing/](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/07/see-bill-clintons-response-when-reporter-confronts-him-over-rape-allegation-resurfacing/) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/416 "2016-01-08T07:07:34Z")
And this is how it applies directly to Hillary. She tried to silence Broaddrick. > **[Bill Clinton rape accuser: Hillary ‘tried to silence’ me](https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264988-bill-clinton-rape-accuser-hillary-tried-to-silence-me/)** > > Juanita Broaddrick told The Hill she supports Trump: “He says the things I like to hear.” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/417 "2016-01-08T07:25:46Z")
And GIGO, I don’t know if you’re whitewashing this on purpose, but perhaps you missed the multiple witnesses to Broaddrick’s condition right after the alleged rape? > [@](#): > > Several friends of Broaddrick’s backed up the story. Norma Rogers, who was the director of nursing at Broaddrick’s nursing home at the time, told reporters that she entered the hotel room shortly after the assault allegedly took place and “found Mrs. Broaddrick crying and in ‘a state of shock.’ Her upper lip was puffed out and blue, and appeared to have been hit.” Kelsey elaborated to the New York Times, “She told me he forced himself on her, forced her to have intercourse.” In the Dateline show, Broaddrick’s friends Louise Ma, Susan Lewis, and Jean Darden (Norma Rogers’s sister) all told NBC News that Broaddrick told them Bill Clinton raped her at the time. David Broaddrick — with whom Broaddrick was having an affair at the time; they both eventually left their spouses to marry each other — also told NBC that Broaddrick’s top lip was black after the alleged incident, and that she told him “that she had been raped by Bill Clinton.” Someone roughed that woman up that day. And she claimed she was raped by Clinton right away. She just didn’t claim it in public, only to people close to her. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/418 "2016-01-08T10:46:52Z")
**adaher** ’s newfound feminism is touching. Why didn’t the alleged victim file charges? What is the source of that last quotation? In one of the links he did supply, she says she’s now a Trump supporter. Money talks. **adaher** ’s, also been posting in the thread about how the Oregon fools might affect GOP candidates. He’s on their side. The guntoting idiots, not the candidates. Why can’t he put some of that energy into explaining why one of _his_ candidates would make a good President? Has he given up on them? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/419 "2016-01-08T10:52:57Z")
I’ve already explained why I like John Kasich. This thread isn’t about that, but you can go to other threads if you want to find that kind of stuff. And why didn’t she file charges? Some feminist you are. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809/420 "2016-01-08T12:14:47Z")
You \*want \*her, don’t you? Admit it, you really want her. If only she’d leave that husband of hers, you’d really have a chance, wouldn’t you? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-clintons-penis-a-lock-to-move-back-into-white-house/740809.md?page=22)