# Bill Frist STILL doesn't get it... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2006, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134 "2006-03-13T04:23:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/21 "2006-03-13T19:57:45Z")
> [@Electronic Chaos](#): > > Water’s just fine here, thanks. > > I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: > I’m so glad I get to vote against this man. Me too! I’m counting the days. I got a survey from Frist’s office a few weeks ago (only sent to his “strongest supporters”, heh) and I dutifully filled it out. I don’t think he will like my answers, though. Btw, **EC** , we live in the same town! ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/22 "2006-03-13T20:11:09Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > **GusNSpot** - posting while drunk doesn’t help raise your profile. Well, it does, but probably not in a way you would want. This is your only post in this thread. Why, I’m honored. _::: preen :::_ 15 years in AA in good standing, but of course with only my say so that I have been sober and who would believe me because you have now so ‘astutely outed’ me. There are so many mirror shy people on the SDMB, I find it fun to poke them a bit. Untested virtue is meaningless IMO. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/23 "2006-03-13T20:24:11Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > Untested virtue is meaningless IMO. As are some posts. 😕 Do you have a point that is on topic? ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/24 "2006-03-13T20:29:45Z")
Bill Frist is a disgrace to the state of Tennessee. The President is not MY Commander-in-Chief because I’m not in the military. He’s my president, and he serves at the pleasure of the people. It is my right as an American citizen to say anything I want about him. He is an incompetent, lying boob and he deserves to be impeached, removed from office and sent to Iraq to clean toilets for the rest of his natural life. But censure will have to do for now. **duffer** is increasingly incoherent, which is probably to be expected given the declining quality of the talking points with which he is provided. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/25 "2006-03-13T20:32:03Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Ah, I see. Now American’s are, as a whole, smart? I’m sorry. I just can’t let that one go unnoticed. Smart people mind their grammar, and that includes punctuation. Robin ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/26 "2006-03-13T20:33:24Z")
That was me. Robin ---
**Author:** ![JimSox5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5a626/32.png) [@JimSox5](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JimSox5)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/27 "2006-03-13T20:38:04Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > As are some posts. 😕 Do you have a point that is on topic? On topic? I’d settle for coherent at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/28 "2006-03-13T20:41:20Z")
I apologise, **GusNSpot**. I assumed your incoherence was a result of alcohol. I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/29 "2006-03-13T20:47:16Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > That was me. > > Robin What kind of people mind their login? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/30 "2006-03-13T23:50:58Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Does that mean that Milosevic is Michael? > :eek: Teehee! Thanks for the chuckle. Now I’ve got visions of a Jackson 5 “tribute” group where the members dress up as thier favorite genocidal dictator. Maybe something along the lines of a GWAR show, but weird. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/31 "2006-03-14T00:16:44Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > I’m giddy that Frist won the GOP straw poll. I would really like to see him be nominated by the GOP for president in 2008. > > even Hilary could beat _him_. It’s McCain that scares me. It was a regional straw poll held in Frist’s home state. It would have meant curtains for him if he lost, but means virtually nothing that he won. Sorry, but Frist ain’t gonna win the GOP nomination. No way. As for the OP, I kind of feel sorry for Feingold. He seems like a man of principle in a town full of unprincipled men. Even Harry Reid didn’t support his censure propsal. With friends like that, who needs Frist? In fact, [cnn reports that:](http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/13/feingold.censure/index.html) > [@](#): > > Feingold’s action will likely be largely symbolic. No Republican senators, who hold a majority, are expected to vote for the resolution, and no other Democratic senators have expressed support for it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/32 "2006-03-14T00:48:59Z")
Interesting, according to Chis Matthews on Hardball, the Senate has only censured a president once, and that was during Andrew Jackson’s presidency. One wonders if the Republicans would be politically smart to let the Senate vote on this resolution. How many Dems would be willing to go on record supporting it? I think the NSA program is one of the few things Bush is doing that gets a majority approval in the polls. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/33 "2006-03-14T01:38:07Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Interesting, according to Chis Matthews on Hardball, the Senate has only censured a president once, and that was during Andrew Jackson’s presidency. I think it was 2 or 3 years after that the Dems gained control of Congress and either overturned it, or pardoned it, or whatever it is they do to lessen it. IIRC, though it happened, it didn’t really happen. Much like Clinton’s impeachment, it’s really little more than a trivia question. It isn’t a big deal to anyone other than those that are political junkies. And I suspect if Bush were censured, most Americans would interpret it as “censored”. They’d probably think the Dems voted to play one long BEEEEEEP during the next SOTU. And just to cover all the bases, half those Americans voted for the Dems. Just to head off the inevitable cheap shots. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/34 "2006-03-14T02:24:41Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > One wonders if the Republicans would be politically smart to let the Senate vote on this resolution. How many Dems would be willing to go on record supporting it? I think the NSA program is one of the few things Bush is doing that gets a majority approval in the polls. It doesn’t even get a majority approval if the question is phrased badly. [This Pew Poll](http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=267) asks if the President should “monitor” Americans who have terrorist ties, and it only gets 48% thinking it’s a good idea, with 47% against. [This](http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-01-23-bush_x.htm) quote from USAToday “Fifty-one percent of Americans said the administration was wrong to intercept conversations involving a party inside the USA without a warrant. In response to another question, 58% of Americans said they support the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the program.” is what you get when the question is asked if the president should be spying on Americans WITHOUT a warrant. That is the deal. No one, despite what Scotty McLellan says, is saying we shouldn’t be spying on terrorists. What we are saying is get a warrant if you want to spy on Americans. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/35 "2006-03-14T02:31:49Z")
What about non-citizens? Can we spy on them without warrants? Specifically I’m wondering about guest workers and students among others. People inside the US but not US citizens. I’m not being facetious on this. I’m honestly curious about board member’s views about it. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/36 "2006-03-14T04:16:46Z")
Originally posted by **Bill Frist** : “The signal that it sends, that there is in any way a lack of support for our commander in chief who is leading us with a bold vision in a way that is making our homeland safer, is wrong”. (emphasis mine) I cannot believe that Frist (R - Cat Killer) got this sentence out with a straight face. “Bold vision”? “making our homeland safer”? Has he really drunk the Kool-Aid or is he just Bush’s bitch? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/37 "2006-03-14T04:51:06Z")
Political rhetoric is a funny thing. So many practice it, and every one of them say it’s wrong when the statement isn’t in sync with thier thinking. What if I were to ask for cites showing attacks on American soil since 9/11/01? A good argument could be made that the increased security measures and governmental policies may have been the reason. Whether you believe them or not, there have been reports that plots have been quashed. What’s the alternative? Stating there weren’t any plots and there was never any danger. In either case, the lack of attacks and the reason for it can’t be shown. One of the two reasons is correct, but how the hell can we tell which is right? On one hand we have concrete policy and no attacks. On the other hand, we have no attacks and a policy to make political hay over. We haven’t suffered any further attacks yet. It’s because the Republicans are right, or the Democrats are right. (It’s not because the attacks aren’t being planned.) I tend to take established policy over rhetoric. If I’m wrong it will eventually be shown. But for right now, I’ll put stock in what is being done. Not what is being talked about. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/38 "2006-03-14T06:46:20Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > I apologise, **GusNSpot**. I assumed your incoherence was a result of alcohol. I stand corrected. This statement is absolutely top notch. My hat is off to you. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/39 "2006-03-14T07:53:02Z")
LOL, just love the pit. I made some comments on what I felt were the root causes of some of the wilder stances by posters in this thread. They really don’t like to look at their motivations much and I enjoy pointing this out. So, IMO, I was on topic enough for the ‘pit’ Hombrew, you been here so long that you have bought the whole SDMB hateful stick lock stock and barrel. We were your friend on another board, tried to encourage you with emails and offers of getting together , even on your move to St Louis. You repay that with hate. Snide cutting remarks from ambush. I can only take this caustic remark by you to mean that being a friend to you is a really bad decision. You can consider any offers made by the “Dragon’s” to be rescinded. I’m sure you were aiming for that all along. On topic is the requirement for post to in this type of thread? Ahhhhh That is so obvious… Bawahahaha I’m kinda old now and most of the things I’ve done are past and not in vogue anymore. I will wait and listen to what you have accomplished with your life and seen the actual contributions to any part of the planets well being. I feel my comments were with in the boundary of this thread. YMMV Anonymous message boards are so enlightening… _Since its inception almost 30 years ago, the internet has been transformed from a primitive device for sharing thoughts and ideas, into a massive network where people pay to connect and read advertisements they don’t want, while calling each other “asshats”._ ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/40 "2006-03-14T14:45:04Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > What if I were to ask for cites showing attacks on American soil since 9/11/01? A good argument could be made that the increased security measures and governmental policies may have been the reason. Whether you believe them or not, there have been reports that plots have been quashed. This argument always reminds me of the Simpsons… “That’s Specious reasoning, Dad!” “Why thank you, Lisa.” Just like in that episode, if I told you this rock kept away tigers, or terrorists, would you buy that? There are no tigers or terrorists here, so it must work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134.md?page=3)