# Bill Frist STILL doesn't get it... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2006, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134 "2006-03-13T04:23:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Spiny\_Norman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Spiny\_Norman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiny_Norman)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/41 "2006-03-14T16:03:53Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > What about non-citizens? Can we spy on them without warrants? Specifically I’m wondering about guest workers and students among others. People inside the US but not US citizens. Without warrants ? I’d really rather you didn’t… Speaking as a resident alien, I would expect a civilized nation to extend to me the same protection under the law as she would her own citizens. (With the obvious exception that I can be deported, something that’s damn hard to do to a US citizen.) On the flip side of that, I of course willingly submit to living under the rules of said law - fair is fair. That does not seem like an unreasonable trade-off to me. Anyway, what I expect is a moot point - as far as I’m informed, there’s legal precedent that the protections in the Bill of Rights (that’s the specific document you’re trying to wiggle around here, correct ?) extend to all persons - not just citizens - under US jurisdiction. If you really want to turn people into legal nonpersons, you need to move them to, say, a Naval base on foreign territory. I think I recall hearing about one of those… ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/42 "2006-03-14T16:43:06Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > What if I were to ask for cites showing attacks on American soil since 9/11/01? [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cases\_of\_anthrax]Then I would give you one. [/quote] Refresh my memory. Who was caught and prosecuted for that, again? ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/43 "2006-03-14T16:44:25Z")
[Fixed link to the Wikipedia summary of the still-unsolved anthrax attacks that duffer hoped we all forgot about.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cases_of_anthrax) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/44 "2006-03-14T16:47:56Z")
Say what you will about Frist, but by scheduling a floor vote on the censure measure, he got numerous Democrats to speak out against it. This marginalized Feingold and made the measure look far more radical than it would had it been allowed to gain momentum. Tactically, the Democratic Party was badly outmaneuvered here. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/45 "2006-03-14T16:49:36Z")
> [@vibrotronica](#): > > [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cases\_of\_anthrax]Then I would give you one. Refresh my memory. Who was caught and prosecuted for that, again? [/QUOTE] Well, to be fair to Duffer’s point, the anthrax attacks happened just one week after 9/11, before any of the security measures he’s referencing were implemented. ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/46 "2006-03-14T17:10:55Z")
> [@](#): > > I tend to take established policy over rhetoric. So taking that…America had an attack on the Trade Center in 1993. Then not another succesful one until 2001. So did Clinton’s policies and procedures during that 8 year span protect America? Did you support Clinton during those 8 attack free years? Was he a Bold and Courageous leader? And was it GW’s incomming policies that weakened us? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/47 "2006-03-14T17:11:31Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Tactically, the Democratic Party was badly outmaneuvered here. That’s kind of like beating a retarded heroin addict living on the street corner at chess. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/48 "2006-03-14T17:28:19Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > Hombrew, you been here so long that you have bought the whole SDMB hateful stick lock stock and barrel. We were your friend on another board, tried to encourage you with emails and offers of getting together , even on your move to St Louis. You repay that with hate. Snide cutting remarks from ambush. I can only take this caustic remark by you to mean that being a friend to you is a really bad decision. You can consider any offers made by the “Dragon’s” to be rescinded. I’m sure you were aiming for that all along. I pity you that you think my comment was snide and cutting. I really don’t think your comments in this thread made sense or were particularly relevant to the topic under discussion. I had hoped you would somehow respond in a way that made your initial post less of a non sequitur. It seems to me that you’ve lately become more and more reactionary, caustic and stiff-necked so it was more wishful thinking than a real hope. Like Charlie Daniels you affect a down-homey demeanor while expressing distain for those who are different with different values and priorities. You cotton no criticism of yourself or your ossified opinons about the proper pecking order of society, yet are quick to offer denouncements of those who disagree. Sauce, goose, gander. As far as previous friendliness goes, let’s just say I’ve got scars in my back from far too many backstabbers at that board. You may have noticed the timestamp of my last (not just latest) post is several months old now. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/49 "2006-03-14T17:49:57Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > That’s kind of like beating a retarded heroin addict living on the street corner at chess. I would have said it’s more like beating a quadruplegic in a marathon, but only because the Democratic party volunteered to have its spine surgically removed around about September 2001 and hasn’t so much as reached for a replacement since… ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/50 "2006-03-14T17:57:57Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > That’s kind of like beating a retarded heroin addict living on the street corner at chess. Okay, now that made me laugh. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/51 "2006-03-14T18:47:09Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > I pity you… > > As far as previous friendliness goes, let’s just say I’ve got scars in my back from far too many backstabbers at that board. You may have noticed the timestamp of my last (not just latest) post is several months old now. No need for pity. I referenced the other board just to make sure you knew who I was, giving you the benefit of the doubt and all that, in case you did not connect me with that other name. So you lump us in with things that others did to you? Sounds like you are saying we did it to you also? If we participate someplace you don’t like, you automatically don’t like us too? That one line of yours was not a request for a better response from an acquaintance if not friend, but, since I had not said a word to you or about any post by you and you were not the OP, I really do not see it (your attack) in the same light as you now claim. Now I forget, is it every body in Fords or is it Chevys that you automatically hate? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/52 "2006-03-14T19:09:11Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > So taking that…America had an attack on the Trade Center in 1993. Then not another succesful one until 2001. So did Clinton’s policies and procedures during that 8 year span protect America? Did you support Clinton during those 8 attack free years? Was he a Bold and Courageous leader? And was it GW’s incomming policies that weakened us? Just to clarify, in those intervening years two of our embassies and one of our navy destroyers were attacked by terrorists. Not to mention the fact that al-Qaeda was linked to the Somali warlords that attacked our troops in Mogadishu. I’d call those successful attacks on our country and our people. But that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/53 "2006-03-14T19:12:48Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > No need for pity. > > I referenced the other board just to make sure you knew who I was, giving you the benefit of the doubt and all that, in case you did not connect me with that other name. > So you lump us in with things that others did to you? Sounds like you are saying we did it to you also? If we participate someplace you don’t like, you automatically don’t like us too? > > That one line of yours was not a request for a better response from an acquaintance if not friend, but, since I had not said a word to you or about any post by you and you were not the OP, I really do not see it (your attack) in the same light as you now claim. > > Now I forget, is it every body in Fords or is it Chevys that you automatically hate? Jesus! Start another thread! Take your whiney, rambling, incoherent cries of “remember me” somewhere else! ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/54 "2006-03-14T19:44:21Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Just to clarify, in those intervening years two of our embassies and one of our navy destroyers were attacked by terrorists. > > Not to mention the fact that al-Qaeda was linked to the Somali warlords that attacked our troops in Mogadishu. > > I’d call those successful attacks on our country and our people. But that’s just me. Weird how Bush gets a pass on the literally THOUSANDS of attacks against American troops and interests that have occurred during his horrendous misrule, but Clinton doesn’t get a pass for the two embassies and one destroyer. But you will do anything to prove you are a worthy subject for King George, including tossing off the “on our soil” clause that **duffer** included in the comment that started this little exchange. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/55 "2006-03-14T19:53:27Z")
> [@vibrotronica](#): > > …But you will do anything to prove you are a worthy subject for **King George** , including… (my bolding) Heh. I’ve seen this nickname (or similar) before, but it’s only now just dawned on me how ironic it is. (Not that I believe it’s at all an accurate view of Bush) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/56 "2006-03-14T19:59:57Z")
> [@vibrotronica](#): > > Weird how Bush gets a pass on the literally THOUSANDS of attacks against American troops and interests that have occurred during his horrendous misrule, but Clinton doesn’t get a pass for the two embassies and one destroyer. But you will do anything to prove you are a worthy subject for King George, including tossing off the “on our soil” clause that **duffer** included in the comment that started this little exchange. Nobody gets a pass for anything. I’m just saying it would be a mistake to misremember the 1990’s as a time of perfect peace and prosperity. My Navy enlistment was served entirely during Clinton’s term, and I participated in operations that make me eligible to join the VFW. Therefore, I’m well aware of this. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/57 "2006-03-14T20:26:37Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > …let’s just say I’ve got scars in my back from far too many backstabbers at that board. You may have noticed the timestamp of my last (not just latest) post is several months old now. That’s not quite telling the whole story. You are - were - don’t know - a valued member and friend who is missed by many, including myself. And that’s all that needs to be said at this time. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134/58 "2006-03-14T20:33:57Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > That’s not quite telling the whole story. I’m afraid the whole story can’t be told here, so any further clarifications will have to be done via email. **GunsNSpot** and **Homebrew** , there is to be no more discussion of any off-board disagreements in this thread, if you please. While everyone has stayed fairly civil so far, these things always have the potential to blow up into a mess at the drop of a hat, and have no bearing on what takes place at this message board in any case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-frist-still-doesnt-get-it/348134.md?page=2)