# Bill Kristol's "Independent Candidate" - who will it be? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 30, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048 "2016-05-30T01:25:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/81 "2016-06-01T14:15:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > His ideas may be equally bad as Trump’s, but they’re far, far worse than Bernie. Bernie wouldn’t send tens of thousands of Americans overseas to die for nothing, as Kristol would. > > I understand it’s easy for armchair warriors to send others (including my friends) to die for nothing, but it’s still monstrous. Kristol is a monstrous idiot, no matter his motivations or patriotism. its also easy for armchair pacifists to be against all force use even tho other Americans have been victims of radical Islamic terrorism and billions of dollars and thousands of man/hours spent to foil/stop the plots, just in the use of surveillance and intel alone (before using any force). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/82 "2016-06-01T14:21:53Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > its also easy for armchair pacifists to be against all force use even tho other Americans have been victims of radical Islamic terrorism and billions of dollars and thousands of man/hours spent to foil/stop the plots, just in the use of surveillance and intel alone (before using any force). I’m not an armchair pacifist – I served in the military (Navy), unlike warmongers like Kristol or Cheney, and have no problem with military force when necessary. I have a problem with monstrously idiotic usage of military force that gets thousands of Americans killed for nothing, like the Iraq war and the future wars that Kristol advocates for. His policies make America weaker and kill thousands of Americans for nothing. He deserves nothing but harsh criticism. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/83 "2016-06-01T14:53:59Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I know, right? Did you see _When Harry Met Sally_? Hilarious! It took me 3 hours to get this. Well played. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/84 "2016-06-01T15:11:03Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > a lot of people cheerled Bush’s war to wag the undog and thus do what his dad didn’t; get re-elected. The media, the oil industry, 9/11 families, you name it. Many Democrats too; you gonna toss them all under the bus? > > Even for as bad as the Iraq War is, no, its not Vietnam. Or Korea. Or even the Communists in Afghanistan; all those wars costed orders of magnitudes more lives. Do non-American lives matter in this analysis? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/85 "2016-06-01T15:14:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > He deserves nothing but harsh criticism. This is untrue. He also deserves mockery. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/86 "2016-06-01T16:51:11Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Both Trump and Bernie are isolationists who don’t get that America must lead the world The world needs to grow up and take care of itself; Uncle Sam has run out of charity. And Bill Kristol can shove a habanero-basted pineapple up his ass. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/87 "2016-06-01T17:26:55Z")
David French. Bill Kristol, Kingmaker. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/88 "2016-06-01T17:45:52Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Do non-American lives matter in this analysis? yes, and even collateral civilian damage was less in Iraq and Vietnam, by a mile. Of course, I do look at American lives first tho (I’m a patriot) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/89 "2016-06-01T17:47:57Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > David French. > > Bill Kristol, Kingmaker. Parturiunt montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. (The mountains labor, a ridiculous mouse to bring forth.) ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/90 "2016-06-01T17:51:21Z")
Back in the day, Kristol was known as “Dan Quayle’s brain” and he lives up to that title yet again.:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/91 "2016-06-01T17:53:59Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > yes, and even collateral civilian damage was less in Iraq and Vietnam, by a mile. Of course, I do look at American lives first tho (I’m a patriot) Then why are you so cavalier about the idea of risking and spending American lives (which conveniently do not include your own life) in adventures overseas? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/92 "2016-06-01T18:44:59Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > yes, and even collateral civilian damage was less in Iraq and Vietnam, by a mile. Of course, I do look at American lives first tho (I’m a patriot) Yes, enough of a patriot to demand a US foreign policy in the hands of the Likud Party. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/93 "2016-06-01T18:52:00Z")
A recurring quandary, unresolved. Too often I have seen my troops, under my flag, go somewhere they had no business going nor any legal right to be. And resisted by natives, who have every such right, and every right to resist a armed invasion on their soil. By all my own standards, I should “root” for them, its their country and we are in the wrong. I’m sure many of you have faced the same question and come to the same non-conclusion: I just can’t do it. Right or wrong, and though surely wrong, I just can’t do it. I remember a quote, or perhaps a legend about a quote, spoken to American troops headed to Viet Nam. “You are about to meet some of the bravest, most dedicated and most resourceful men you will ever meet. Trouble is, they are the enemy.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/94 "2016-06-01T19:32:08Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Yes, enough of a patriot to demand a US foreign policy in the hands of the Likud Party. There you go, disrespecting Israel again. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/95 "2016-06-01T19:45:49Z")
David French is an anti-LGBT bigot who makes fun of transgender people, opposes same sex marriage, and is a former attorney for the Alliance Defending Freedom organization, which was involved in the Hobby Lobby decision and in testifying against Planned Parenthood. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/96 "2016-06-01T20:00:06Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > David French is an anti-LGBT bigot who makes fun of transgender people, opposes same sex marriage, and is a former attorney for the Alliance Defending Freedom organization, which was involved in the Hobby Lobby decision and in testifying against Planned Parenthood. So, a Republican moderate then, in today’s reckoning. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/97 "2016-06-01T20:36:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So, a Republican moderate then, in today’s reckoning. Anybody else thinking Trump VP pick? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/98 "2016-06-01T20:41:08Z")
Still betting Sarah Palin. Though snagging the all-important Kristol support must be tempting. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/99 "2016-06-01T20:46:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Still betting Sarah Palin. Though snagging the all-important Kristol support must be tempting. French’s wife co-authored book with Palin. It’s a two-fer! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-kristols-independent-candidate-who-will-it-be/756048/100 "2016-06-01T20:55:16Z")
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