Bill Maher on Obama

^^This

Well, I apologize for directing you to your original words, but you said

So I looked to Wikipedia to see what types of resumes Obama and Nunn brought to Congress.

*Sam Nunn was born a grandnephew to a congressman.
Attended Georgia Tech and Emory as an undergrad (no major listed), then Emory law school (Ranked #20), graduating in ‘62.
Served on active duty in the US Coast Guard, after which he served “for a short time” as a Congressional staffer.
Returned to Perry GA (population 12K) to practice law and manage the family farm, after which he was president of the Perry Chamber of Commerce.
Reported to have had a drunk driving accident in 1964.
First entered politics as a member of the GA House in 1968, and was elected to the US Senate in 1972.

Obama grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia.
Attended Occidental College in LA and Columbia as an undergrad, majoring in polsci/int’l relations.
Worked for Business International, a “publishing and advisory firm dedicated to assisting American companies in operating abroad,” then for a “New York State-wide non-partisan political organization.”
Moved to Chicago, where he worked for community organization “Developing Communities Project,” setting up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a public housing tenants’ rights organization.
Also worked for Gamaliel Foundation, which “provides training and consultation and develops national strategy for its affiliated congregation-based community organizations.”
Entered Harvard Law in 1988, where he was selected as an editor to and later president of the law review.
During summers, worked for 2 big Chicago law firms.
In 1992, directed a voter registration drive.
1995 published his memoir.
Professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for 12 years starting in 92.
In 1993 joined law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development.
Elected to Illinois Senate in 98, re-elected twice.
Unsuccessfully ran for US House of Rep in 2000.
Elected US Senate 2004.*

Now I have no desire to argue whether Obama or Nunn are the better man, and I do not wish to suggest Nunn is unqualified. I also acknowledge Wikipedia’s shortcomings as a source, as well as the fact that Obama’s current job undoubtedly contributes to greater detail in his bio.

But I would really like to know what you believe in Nunn’s “resume” makes him more qualified to serve in Congress than Obama? Looks like he served in the Coast Guard, after which he worked as a small town lawyer and ran his family farm.

He hasn’t said he will stop them “sometime in the future”, he’s given specific dates by which Iraq operations and the Gitmo facility will end. And in the case of Iraq he was pretty explicit during the campaign that it would be a slow draw down, granted his current date is about three months later then the one given in the campaign.

As for the Gitmo facility, I don’t think he ever gave a timeline during the campaign, and the current one seems pretty reasonable given how thorny the problem is.

Frankly, Obama has done better then I thought he would when I voted for him, though again, it’s still pretty early.

It’s what his stances are and how hard he pushes for them. For example, his public/private healthcare plan should have been a fair compromise for conservatives. There should not have been a point when other (conservative) Dems could threaten to veto it. As a popular president, he has a lot of sway over the direction his party takes. The same goes for the stimulus–there was no reason to compromise with the Republicans to put more tax cuts in it.

If Obama opposes Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories, he should just give Netanyahu an ultimatum–it’s Israel, after all, who needs U.S. funding, not the other way around.

The point is that Obama is not being aggressive enough in pursuing the policies he advocated. So I think Maher’s basically right–Obama shouldn’t ignore everybody, but he shouldn’t engage in too much conciliation either.

But Sam Nunn is white and had family members in politics. Therefore he was, by virtue of having been born, more qualified than Barack Obama could ever be. :rolleyes:

So you are afraid to answer the question?

There is nothing I’ve seen you write that suggests you’re qualified to make that assessment. :smiley:

He’s clearly qualified. If you think he isn’t qualified enough, that’s your right. He’s certainly had the best ideas of any of the candidates.

The McCain campaign was specifically geared to appeal to morons with smarmy “Pallin’ around with Terrorists.” and “Stop everything I must go save the economy!” theatrics. If he ran the country like the campaign we’d be nosediving into the depression now. His plan would have been tax cuts for the rich to fix the economy. :rolleyes:

He’s an insightful man, mixed up on some issues, like food animals, but he’s not a fool by any stretch.

I started this thread to discuss this very question. He seems to have been very effective so far, for an empty suit. If you have specific instances of cases where his lack of experience has hurt, feel free to share them. Otherwise, the election has been over for a while and it just might be time to move on.

Wow. If some of you consider Obama in the center I shudder to think how much further to the left you want him to go. Don’t bother answering, I already know. The same people who think that it is a good idea for the federal government to own 60% of GM and a good chunk of Chrysler. I can’t wait to see the health care legislation! I know I’ll be able to sleep much better at night. After all, Medicare and Medicaid are the model of efficiency.

Obama is as qualified as any other President to hold the job. Besides maybe George HW Bush. :wink:

The VHA is actually one of the best healthcare providers in the country.

Eight years? We have developed a system that rewards the few at the expense of the many for a hundred years . Heath care is just one example. But health care has to be done quickly. Those who are getting rich off the system have great influence and power. Most people recognize that our present system will bankrupt the country in the future. it has to be changed. the sooner the better.
Obama is actually allowing the Blackwater type mercenaries in Iraq and Afghanistan to increase. It is fiscally stupid and unprincipled. America’s business can not be war.

Clearly we aren’t in the business of war, because mercenaries are more expensive than regular troops. :wink: That’s just a bad decision of choosing a vendor.

War not for our gain, but for Blackwater and their ilk.
All is well. Obama came out for single payer today. Well, some is weller than it was.

Those who are saying “it takes time” and “Obame can’t fix everything is six months” are missing the point. The problem is not that Obama hasn’t done enough things in his first six months as President. The problem is that he has done the wrong things. Specifically, he has:

  • Allowed all the criminals of the Bush administration to escape without prosecuting a single one of them.

  • Taken a stance on federal spying and wiretapping even worse than that of Bush.

  • Refused to clearly make all torture illegal.

  • Increased military spending.

  • Sent more troops to Afghanistan.

  • Handed out tens of billions of dollars to many of the corporations responsible for the current economic problems.
    The only major legislation that he fought for against the wishes of the Republicans was the stimulus package. Obama is not an empty suit. He’s a suit filled with a Republican, for the most part.

Well, that narrows it down. :rolleyes:

Well, if Obama is being criticized by the right and the left, either he’s massively incompetent, or he’s governing like a moderate.

Since we know what massive incompetence looks like, and this ain’t it, I’m prone to saying that he’s governing like a moderate. And most Americans seem pretty happy with that!

Of course Obama’s resume qualified him to be a Senator and then President. He’s old enough, he’s a natural-born citizen, and he got enough votes. What other qualifications are there, for either job?

Seems pointless to misunderstand his point on purpose. “Not qualified” in the context means lacking the experience necessary to be a good President, not that he isn’t legally qualified for the job.

Agreed