Bill Maher on Valerie Plame - Bush and Cheney are traitors

[Liberal]

@Smooth Jack

I’m confused. Who’s being pitted here? Maher, or Bush & Cheney?

From the OP:

“Maher won [my admiration] last night with this…”

“When you’re right, you’re right, even when you’re Bill Maher.”

It’s a pitting of the traitors and their treason.

[Uzi]

@Liberal

You just didn’t know what it was aboat.

No, aboot was correct.

[vibrotronica]

@Czarcasm

Sorry, I thought you were an Objectivist Christian Libertarian-my bad.

Splitter!

[Liberal]

Actually, I think I usually list them in their Haiku order:

Christianity
Libertarianism
Objectivism

[Evil_Captor]

I just wanted to say Bush and Cheney are traitors for outing Valerie Plame and I called it MONTHS ago.

I feel so vindicated. If only they could be tried and jailed … or whatever that penalty is for treason, that they so richly deserve.

[mhendo]

@Liberal

You can call Ward Churchill a Democrat for all I care, but he doesn’t really line up with the Democratic platform.

Mmmm, that seems rather contrary to what you suggested a few weeks ago.

@Liberal

@Frank

While you’re thinking, please name the Democratic “trolls” comparable to Ann Coulter and Phyllis Schlafly.

How 'bout Lynne Stewart and Ward Churchill? I await your rationalizations of how these are either not “true” Democrats or else don’t compare.

[David_Simmons]

@Liberal

The person who asked for an explanation was from Denmark, and possibly just unfamiliar with urban American slang. The very left-wing audience laughed. The guests laughed, including Atlanta’s mayor (an African-American woman). I laughed. Revtim and Monstro laughed. It was quite funny.

I guess you had to be there.

[Frank]

@mhendo

Mmmm, that seems rather contrary to what you suggested a few weeks ago.

He withdrew that remark later on in the thread:

@Liberal

I must admit that [MaxTheVool’s] argument is quite sensible. I retract the comparisons.

[F.U.Shakespeare]

I’ve worked in the intelligence community for over twenty years. Despite being left-of-center on most social issues, I voted for Bush in 2000. I was never crazy about how much he courted the Christian right. But I didn’t really regret voting for him until the facts about the Plame case were confirmed.

The most incredible change occurred in my conservative colleagues. These are people with whom, for years, I had pissed and moaned whenever classified information appeared in ‘Aviation Leak’ and the Washington Post.

All of a sudden, it was ‘no big deal’ to out a covert agent.

It’s a complicated case, and it’s perfectly valid to want to make sure the facts are certain before hurling accusations. But this is not in the same category with people who have from the beginning obstinately insisted that

1. there was nothing to the case (it must be great to be so certain about things);

2. it was all liberal hysteria – everybody objecting to it took orders from some “vast left-wing conspiracy”;

3. Plame was “a glorified secretary” (Robert Novak’s own words);

4. “even if she used to be covert she wasn’t anymore, so what was the problem?” (I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve had to “explain” to veteran IC employees that sources and methods have to be protected even after they’re no longer used);

More hilarious were numerous conversations I had with conservative friends away from work, who would try to “explain” to me why there was nothing to worry about. Yes, I’d worked in the IC for twenty years. But they’d learned from Rush/Hannity/Coulter that everything was OK, so I had to be wrong.

They say you often take on the traits of your enemy. Conservatives who’ve convinced themselves that what the Bush White House did to Plame was ‘no big deal’ have turned into the very traitors they rail against.

This does not apply to all conservatives: a retired boss of mine whom I had dinner with last year is a lifelong conservative Republican. When I brought up the Plame case to him, he was emphatic that “whoever did it should pay”.

[Clothahump]

@Liberal

“Traitors,” he began at the end of his New Rules segment, “don’t get to question my patriotism.” Over his left shoulder, images of the President and Vice President. On his face, an expression both determined and pissed off.

Bill Maher is a barking mad idiot. He’s consistently proven that over the years.

[wring]

@Clothahump

Bill Maher is a barking mad idiot. He’s consistently proven that over the years.

well, with that scathing rebuttal, I’ve simply no choice but to change sides.

[Squink]

@F. U. Shakespeare

All of a sudden, it was ‘no big deal’ to out a covert agent.

Yes, this was shocking. I look forward to seeing president Hillary declassify the names of all the covert creeps with this attitude. May their chorus of “Thank you Madame President, may I have another?” resound to the heavens.

[Revtim]

@wring

well, with that scathing rebuttal, I’ve simply no choice but to change sides.

Yes, Clothy sure has crushing power of logic on his side again, as usual. There’s really no choice but to be utterly convinced by his well-thought out and sharply elucidated arguments, is there?

[Quiddity_Glomfuster]

@Revtim

Yes, Clothy sure has crushing power of logic on his side again, as usual. There’s really no choice but to be utterly convinced by his well-thought out and sharply elucidated arguments, is there?

I’m so impressed. I tell ya, the Hump’s got me all atwitter with the power of his rhetoric.*

• And if you believe that; bridge, desert, etc.

[RickJay]

@Clothahump

Bill Maher is a barking mad idiot. He’s consistently proven that over the years.

But on this subject, he happens to be right. Ain’t that something?

[woodstockbirdybird]

@RickJay

But on this subject, he happens to be right. Ain’t that something?

Oh, no. To Clothatard, you can’t be right unless you’re right, if you know what I mean. I’m sure he’s got all manner of well-thought-out reasons that Bush & Cheney’s involvement in this actually proves them to be paragons of integrity and patriotism.

Also, another vote for “Niger, please” being funny.

[wring]

forgot to mention- another vote for “Niger, please” ** not** being funny.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

Humor is decided by popular vote? Now THAT’s funny!

Daniel

[Tuckerfan]

@Clothahump

Bill Maher is a barking mad idiot. He’s consistently proven that over the years.

What the hell do you know? You’re an albino.

[mhendo]

@Frank

He withdrew that remark later on in the thread:

True enough, but based on Max the Vool’s comments in that thread, it seems that Lib’s retraction had more to do with issues of how prominent each person was in the party structure, not about their politics per se.

Anyway, it’s not a big deal. I just thought it was interesting that, for Liberal, a very radical and currently rather obscure academic like Ward Churchill served as a sort of benchmark for Democratic politics twice in a few weeks.