# Bill Nye the Science Guy vs Creotard Ken Ham **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 3, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764 "2014-01-03T01:52:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/81 "2014-02-02T23:12:56Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > There is a “test” of the live feed being sent right now (started 1PM EST). Those who want to see the debate live are encouraged (by the debate organizers) to check out their system using this test. > > So what are they using as a test? A church service by Ken Ham bombasting science! Anyone still want to argue this debate will be fair? > > [http://debatelive.org/](http://debatelive.org/) Good thing the live feed was prayed into being by the Pope and not developed by scientists, or else that would be ironic. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/82 "2014-02-03T02:13:56Z")
God hates all science except for the science that allows the dissemination of the message that God hates science. I think. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/83 "2014-02-04T18:14:50Z")
Here’s another place to watch the live stream: [http://thesleeperawakened.blogspot.com/2014/02/live-stream-of-debate-between-bill-nye.html](http://thesleeperawakened.blogspot.com/2014/02/live-stream-of-debate-between-bill-nye.html) RS ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/84 "2014-02-04T18:26:01Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Here’s another place to watch the live stream: > > [http://thesleeperawakened.blogspot.com/2014/02/live-stream-of-debate-between-bill-nye.html](http://thesleeperawakened.blogspot.com/2014/02/live-stream-of-debate-between-bill-nye.html) > > RS That’s just a page with the Youtube video embedded, you might as well just go directly to the Youtube page: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/z6kgvhG3AkI/maxresdefault.jpg "Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI) ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/85 "2014-02-05T00:23:11Z")
Debate has started. Ken Ham seems to think that he has a major point in separating science that he can observe NOW as different from science that analyzes what happened THEN. Two kinds of science. He has no beef with what happens now, but since no one was around years ago, it’s open to speculation, i.e., the bible is right, the flood happened, Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden, and sin created atheists. ---
**Author:** ![B.Serum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/b.serum/32/14266_2.png) [@B.Serum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/B.Serum)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/86 "2014-02-05T02:06:09Z")
[Quick summary of the debate](http://halfmanhalfgreek.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/science-vs-faith.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Moe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moe/32/2972_2.png) [@Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moe)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/87 "2014-02-05T02:35:53Z")
I must say, I was as worried as many in the skeptical/science camp. But I think Bill Nye went way beyond my expectations and performed brilliantly. And actually Ken Ham was far worse than I’d imagined he would be. He’s certainly no William Lane Craig. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/88 "2014-02-05T02:36:43Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > [Quick summary of the debate](http://halfmanhalfgreek.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/science-vs-faith.jpg). Would that be historical science, observational science, or biblical science? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/89 "2014-02-05T02:38:29Z")
> [@Moe](#): > > I must say, I was as worried as many in the skeptical/science camp. But I think Bill Nye went way beyond my expectations and performed brilliantly. Granted. But I wish Aron Ra or Matt Dillihunty had stood in for him. Matt especially, as an ex-Baptist preacher. He could meet Ham head-on. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/90 "2014-02-05T02:49:46Z")
I got tired of hearing Ham say, “There’s this book…” to answer how life and the universe started. Well, there are a lot more books that say we don’t know. It was the predictable clash of faith versus reason. Reason explained, and faith didn’t listen. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/91 "2014-02-05T02:56:53Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > What is required for this “debate” to be effective in changing minds is an open mind with a sound conviction that science has a process which leads to discovery of fact. > > This will not be the case. Most of the audience will be heavily biased by personal conviction toward Creationism. Their conviction that science can lead to discovery of fact if the fact being discovered is at odds with a text written by God will be negligible. I think most fundies believe science is real, and reliable enough, but also that discoverable physical laws simply do not apply to God, who wrote them and can break them. I once asked my grandmother how all species of animals could fit on the Ark; she replied that God could shrink them, “God can do anything.” ---
**Author:** ![Moe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moe/32/2972_2.png) [@Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moe)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/92 "2014-02-05T02:57:27Z")
I really have no complaints with Bill though. I don’t know Matt Dillihunty well enough to comment, but I think Aron Ra might have come off a bit too strident to be as effective. Sure, he’d have every argument covered from every angle, but given the venue and the relatively more mainstream publicity, I actually think Bill Nye, with his focus on and enthusiasm for science, and his quirky charm, was a really good fit. I wouldn’t be surprised if a fair number of people saw this tonight who never engaged their own mind in the debate were inspired at some level by some of Nye’s science facts. > [@](#): > > Granted. But I wish Aron Ra or Matt Dillihunty had stood in for him. Matt especially, as an ex-Baptist preacher. He could meet Ham head-on. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/93 "2014-02-05T03:12:17Z")
Nothing new here, of course. The thing that sucks about debates like this is that it’s like having a boxing match and telling each fighter they get 3 punches to knock out his opponent, when it really needs to be a 10-round bout proving the superior boxer. Any of a dozen statements that Ham or Nye made as almost throwaway statements could and should be examined in-depth to get anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Moe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moe/32/2972_2.png) [@Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moe)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/94 "2014-02-05T03:21:57Z")
Yeah, I wish the moderator would’ve allowed some actual back-and-forth discussion beyond a single 1-minute rebuttal. That aspect was frustrating and must have been very much so to Nye. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/95 "2014-02-05T03:58:37Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Granted. But I wish Aron Ra or Matt Dillihunty had stood in for him. Matt especially, as an ex-Baptist preacher. He could meet Ham head-on. God himself couldn’t convince Ken Ham that he’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/96 "2014-02-05T04:11:25Z")
That was really boring. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/97 "2014-02-05T04:41:07Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I love Bill Nye and everything, but let’s be a little honest about his credentials; his experience lies in being a _television show host_, not a teacher. He has a considerable list of credentials in hosting children’s TV programs but none at all in teaching children; they are different skills. And a public debate is an entirely different skill again. Bill Nye teaches astronomy and human ecology at Cornell. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/98 "2014-02-05T05:05:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I once asked my grandmother how all species of animals could fit on the Ark; she replied that God could shrink them, “God can do anything.” And with $62 million of chipboard he probably could. The miracle would be in preventing it from falling apart the moment it got wet. This ain’t marine ply we’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Gateway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dbc845/32.png) [@Gateway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gateway)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/99 "2014-02-05T06:18:22Z")
So, if anyone knows: how can I see the debate on TV? Does anyone know the channel it aired on originally (if it was on a channel at all) and if so when a re-run will be? ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764/100 "2014-02-05T06:25:55Z")
> [@Gateway](#): > > So, if anyone knows: how can I see the debate on TV? Does anyone know the channel it aired on originally (if it was on a channel at all) and if so when a re-run will be? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/z6kgvhG3AkI/maxresdefault.jpg "Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI) skip 30 or so minutes in to get to the debate. Nye did a great job over all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-nye-the-science-guy-vs-creotard-ken-ham/677764.md?page=6)