# Bill O'Reilly and Hillary Clinton **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 15, 2003, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476 "2003-10-15T00:02:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/41 "2003-10-15T14:47:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dropzone \* > \*\*Folks, I need a clarification of the rules. Did Coldie Godwinize here? Is the merest mention of Nazis in a non-historical thread a Godwinization of said thread? And if so does that mean Brutus wins by default? \*\* Yes, you DO need a clarification of the rules: Godwin’s Law does NOT state that the person mentioning the Nazis is the loser. It just states that as any discussion thread’s length goes to infinity, the probability that someone will mention the Nazis goes to 1. Simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/42 "2003-10-15T15:00:01Z")
Correct, **Flymaster**. However, the Jargon Dictionary states: > [@](#): > > There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. This is the rule that has become most closely identified with the name “Godwin’s Law”, and it seems to be at least loosely applied around here. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/43 "2003-10-15T17:49:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Philster \* > Everywhere I go around here, Conservatives blindy defend other Conservatives and then provide fodder to the likes of the Liberals. …and then they accuse the liberals of being “drones.” 😉 Not sure if this is a Bill O’Reilly-bash or a **Brutus** -bash any more, but either one is fine with me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Weird\_With\_Words](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weird_with_words/32/385_2.png) [@Weird\_With\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_With_Words)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/44 "2003-10-15T19:23:26Z")
Hey, he stepped on the ant hill. That’s what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Weird\_With\_Words](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weird_with_words/32/385_2.png) [@Weird\_With\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_With_Words)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/45 "2003-10-15T19:32:05Z")
By the way, I know this may be a fool’s errand, but I’m gonna continue to bring up that Newsweek/Florida/overvotes issue to **Brutus** until he admits he’s wrong, or finds the facts to prove me wrong. C’mon, anyone else wanna help me try to crack Fort Knox? I figure if we persevere, we might be able to get him to admit to one thing, and that one crack in the armor will let aaaaallll the bullshit come flooding out. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/46 "2003-10-15T19:37:46Z")
Check the spinsanity web site - they hoist conservatives and liberals both on similar petards. Goddamn Nazis… ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/47 "2003-10-16T19:58:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carrot \* > **Correct, Flymaster. However, the Jargon Dictionary states:…** Exactly the definition I was using. The merest mention of Nazis can TOTALLY hijack a thread, as was demonstrated here, and can even drive away Brutus. Sorta the same thing as Mussolini making the trains run on time–nothing is totally evil. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/48 "2003-10-16T20:43:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Philster \* > \*\* > Everywhere I go around here, Conservatives blindy defend other Conservatives and then provide fodder to the likes of the Liberals. > \*\* As a conservative who was opposed to the invasion of Iraq in the way it happened I’ve noticed the same thing myself. I think that a lot of this comes from what I call “ **pop-cons**.” " **Po-Cons** are conservatism’s equivalent of pop music. **Philster** , I know that we’re not alone. Take for example this quote from the Weekly standard: > [@](#): > > …the Coulterization of the American right. Conservatism as partisan sport–the **opposite of principled, ideological debate** –has become major entertainment and helped **debase much right-aisle political debate into an undifferentiated noise of team-rooting.** Conservatism, IMHO, has always been about sober analysis of the all facts, the nice ones and the unpleasant ones. If your reaction to something that challenges your position is to deride the “credibility and bias” of the source before you address factuality, _and_ you call yourself a conservative… :dubious: If you think that liberals posess more of the unseemly attirbutes of humanity than conservatives… :dubious: You’re most likely a **pop-con** **Pop-Cons** Remember, you heard it here first. pop-con ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/49 "2003-10-16T20:53:29Z")
can i get me a pop-con to buy me a pop-corn, or would that be a handout? ---
**Author:** ![Beltane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@Beltane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beltane)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/50 "2003-10-16T21:29:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*can i get me a pop-con to buy me a pop-corn, or would that be a handout? \*\* Do pop-cons eat popcorn while watching cop porn? {end hijack} (hmm… speaking of cop porn… neverming… ---
**Author:** ![Beltane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@Beltane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beltane)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2003, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/51 "2003-10-16T21:34:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*can i get me a pop-con to buy me a pop-corn, or would that be a handout? \*\* Do pop-cons eat popcorn while watching cop porn? {end hijack} (hmm… speaking of cop porn… nevermind… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2003, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/52 "2003-10-16T22:06:31Z")
Would Ann Coulter therefore be a Pop-Tart-Con? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/53 "2003-10-16T22:16:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > \*\*Would Ann Coulter therefore be a Pop-Tart-Con? \*\* Good one! But in some parts of the countries they call them soda-cons. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2003, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/54 "2003-10-16T23:41:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SimonX \* > Conservatism, IMHO, has always been about sober analysis of the all facts, the nice ones and the unpleasant ones. > > If your reaction to something that challenges your position is to deride the “credibility and bias” of the source before you address factuality, _and_ you call yourself a conservative… :dubious: > > If you think that liberals posess more of the unseemly attirbutes of humanity than conservatives… :dubious: > > You’re most likely a **pop-con** I blame the rise of talk radio and the Gingrich revolution. Anyone with me? ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2003, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/55 "2003-10-17T01:06:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\*I blame the rise of talk radio and the Gingrich revolution. Anyone with me? \*\* Oddly enough, David Skinner, assistant managing editor of the [Weekly Standard](http://weeklystandard.com/). Check out \*\*[Rush Hour\*\*](http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/209binrw.asp) the article I pulled my quote from. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Limbaugh, more than anyone, is responsible for beginning what might be called the Coulterization of the American right. Conservatism as partisan sport–the opposite of principled, ideological debate–has become major entertainment and helped debase much right-aisle political debate into an undifferentiated noise of team-rooting. \*\* Apparently, Mr. Skinner has i_sssss_ues with how Mr. Limbaugh, (presumably), et al. conduct their shows. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2003, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476/56 "2003-10-17T05:56:45Z")
Geeze, about 50% of this thread reminds me of a saying my coworker picked up overseas: “Argue with a wise man and you cannot win. Argue with a fool and you cannot stop.” Off to bed, g’night 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-and-hillary-clinton/207476.md?page=2)