# Bill O'Reilly, they should have fed you some of Shug Avery's pee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 26, 2007, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502 "2007-09-26T01:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/41 "2007-09-26T15:14:58Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] IHe’s the kind of paternalistic racist who thinks that he’s giving black people the sound advice they need when he tells them to act more like Will Smith. [/QUOTE] But…Will Smith _can’t_ act. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/42 "2007-09-26T15:23:31Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] He says that “White America” thinks that black people are all like Twister (whoever that is) … [/QUOTE] So White America thinks black people talk at record-breaking speeds while laying down rhymes to a funkyass beat? > [@Wikipedia on the artist known as "Twista"](#): > > Twista grew up in foresthill area on the West Side of catford where he started rapping at the age of 12. Before starting his professional career, however, **he had several other jobs, including working at a factory, selling shoes, telemarketing, working at McDonald’s, working as a security guard, and cutting hair. He also worked at Burger King before shooting to fame as a rapper**. > > Twista was one of the fastest artists to sign with Loud Records. In 1991, he released Runnin’ Off at Da Mouth under the name of Tung Twista. Due to his rapid-fire pace of delivery, **he was listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the world’s fastest rapper, being able to rap 11.2 syllables per second.** Twista doesn’t seem all that bad a guy to me. Rather hardworking and talented, in fact. So thanks “White America” for thinking of blacks in this way! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/43 "2007-09-26T15:46:09Z")
When O’Reilly was asked to respond he merely said “I’ve always been good to you people! I’ve gone out of my way to help the coloreds!” Though he did say that black people are even stranger looking than you’d think when you see them up close. I think that more white people need to have his experience. I recommend a new chain of theme restaurants for the suburbs called Mo-Fos. Waiters (primarily white college kids) will meet you at the door wearing authentic dreadlock wigs and press-on gold teeth and say “Welcome dawgs and bitches, how many asses will be sitting in your MoFo booth today?” The motif will be early modern Cabrini Green (for true ghetto authenticity see if the set designer for _Good Times_ is available- or if the writers have the full recipe for that Kool Aid and Grits casserole they were always talking- better yet, see if Jimmy Walker’s available to work as a host and give the staff Jive Lessons). We’ll have the _Michael Vick Big-Dawgs_ (kind of like a Chicago dog only with collards instead of tomato and relish, and the dog is “guaranteed to fight in your stomach”) and a special _Motherfucking Blue Plate_ (your choice of one fried meat and three types of greens with crackling bread), or for $2 more you can get it with dessert and sweet tea (that’s called the _Motherfucking Blue Plate Special n’ Shit_). Of course this is from a guy who’s whiter than a Christmas carol and has eaten his weight in crackling bread, collards, and grits, but I would probably still call Bill O’Reilly a motherfucker in a restaurant just on general principal, so I guess I don’t fit in with any race. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/44 "2007-09-26T15:51:08Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] When O’Reilly was asked to respond he merely said “I’ve always been good to you people! I’ve gone out of my way to help the coloreds!” Though he did say that black people are even stranger looking than you’d think when you see them up close. I think that more white people need to have his experience. I recommend a new chain of theme restaurants for the suburbs called Mo-Fos. Waiters (primarily white college kids) will meet you at the door wearing authentic dreadlock wigs and press-on gold teeth and say “Welcome dawgs and bitches, how many asses will be sitting in your MoFo booth today?” The motif will be early modern Cabrini Green (for true ghetto authenticity see if the set designer for _Good Times_ is available- or if the writers have the full recipe for that Kool Aid and Grits casserole they were always talking- better yet, see if Jimmy Walker’s available to work as a host and give the staff Jive Lessons). We’ll have the _Michael Vick Big-Dawgs_ (kind of like a Chicago dog only with collards instead of tomato and relish, and the dog is “guaranteed to fight in your stomach”) and a special _Motherfucking Blue Plate_ (your choice of one fried meat and three types of greens with crackling bread), or for $2 more you can get it with dessert and sweet tea (that’s called the _Motherfucking Blue Plate Special n’ Shit_). [/quote] There would also need to be a fortified wine list and a nice selection of malt liquors. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/45 "2007-09-26T15:57:59Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I listened to it. [/QUOTE] As did I. Thank you for taking the time to do so so that you can comment out of knowledge instead of preconception. [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] There’s a lot of garbage to sit through. [/QUOTE] He made points about societal and cultural trends that make some people uncomfortable. Too many people find the concept of personal responsibility and responsible behavior tiresome. [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] He’s the kind of paternalistic racist who thinks that he’s giving black people the sound advice they need when he tells them to act more like Will Smith. [/QUOTE] What annoys you about that, Dio? Is it that he is taking it upon himself to point out the obvious difference between good and bad personal behavior? Or is it the example of Smith that bothers you? You don’t have to be a “paternalistic racist” to recognize that there is a specific element of rap and hip hop music that reeks with negative stereotypes and promotes destructive behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/46 "2007-09-26T16:23:59Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] What annoys you about that, Dio? Is it that he is taking it upon himself to point out the obvious difference between good and bad personal behavior? Or is it the example of Smith that bothers you? You don’t have to be a “paternalistic racist” to recognize that there is a specific element of rap and hip hop music that reeks with negative stereotypes and promotes destructive behavior. [/QUOTE] Good thing he laid that out for the negroes, because they surely don’t get that themselves. You seem to be ignorant of the racism in your own statement. Maybe time to give some thought to the matter. **Sampiro** , what’s the spizzle of the dizzle, ma nizzle? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/47 "2007-09-26T16:35:03Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Too many people find the concept of personal responsibility and responsible behavior tiresome. [/QUOTE] Indeed. And they’re running the country and O’Reilly spends a lot of airtime shilling for them. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/48 "2007-09-26T16:43:01Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Good thing he laid that out for the negroes, because they surely don’t get that themselves. [/QUOTE] If you had listened to what he said, you would realize that he was speaking in general terms. But if you are desperate to hear racism, it can be done. [QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] You seem to be ignorant of the racism in your own statement. Maybe time to give some thought to the matter. [/QUOTE] I don’t see it. Please point it out to me so we can discuss it. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/49 "2007-09-26T16:50:25Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Indeed. And they’re running the country and O’Reilly spends a lot of airtime shilling for them. [/QUOTE] Too trite and easy, BG. You’re generally on a higher plane than that. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/50 "2007-09-26T17:38:37Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] … And that whole sexual, ah, endowment thing, that’s another myth. I mean, I don’t personally know that, but if you don’t believe me, you could ask your mom. Lot of black guys in the Seventh Fleet, right? [/QUOTE] “It’s Twue! It’s Twue!” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/51 "2007-09-26T18:23:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Listen and decide for yourself or continue to wallow in the comfort of your preconceived notions. WWBD? I’ll just continue to say that conservative pundits are racist sexist windbags for another few decades. Then maybe some day, I’ll bother to actually listen to one of them. If it turns out everything I’ve said over the years has been wrong, I’ll be sure to express my surprise at how those pundits are just normal folks like me. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/52 "2007-09-26T18:35:09Z")
Billdo lost any shred of credibilty he could have ever hoped for with the loofah bit- he spends many a day knocking sexist misogynist rappers, and it turns out he does the same thing, and then doesn’t have to guts to even talk about it- doesn’t he refer to people who refuse to come on his show and talk about such things as cowards, etc.? Fucking hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/53 "2007-09-26T19:03:59Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] He made points about societal and cultural trends that make some people uncomfortable. Too many people find the concept of personal responsibility and responsible behavior tiresome. [/quote] He carped about “the hip hop” and made sweeping, moralistic pronouncements about the rappers are all setting bad moral examples and how black kids aren’t smart enough to make their own moral choices and are led around by the nose by rap lyrics. I didn’t hear many actual “points,” in there, nor do I accept his definition of what kind of behavior is “responsible” and what is not. He didn’t make me “uncomfortable” (I’m a _way_ better person thn Bill O’Reilly is), he bored me. He also lives in a glass house last time I checked. It’s laughable for him to lecture anybody else about disrespect of women. How many of these rappers have ever been sued for obscene phone calls or sexual harrassment. I also wonder if he knows that the word “bitch” refers as much (if no more) to men as it does to women in those lyrics. > [@](#): > > What annoys you about that, Dio? Is it that he is taking it upon himself to point out the obvious difference between good and bad personal behavior? Or is it the example of Smith that bothers you? You don’t have to be a “paternalistic racist” to recognize that there is a specific element of rap and hip hop music that reeks with negative stereotypes and promotes destructive behavior. I don’t see any obvious difference in “moral behavior” between Ludacris and Will Smith. Why does being a relatively clean cut and family friendly commercial commodity make someone a better person than someone who pursues grittier subject matter and says “fuck?” I don’t have anything against Will Smith, but a white guy lecturing black people on on which black celebrities the should emulate is head-patting, paternalistic, unconscious, “you’re a credit to your race, son,” good negro/bad negro racism. If Will Smith is a good role model (and I actually agree that he is), then why stop at black kids? Why not just say kids in general should look up to Will Smith? He’s framing it in terms of what kind of negroes black kids should be instead of what kind of men and women they should be. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/54 "2007-09-26T20:42:56Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I don’t see any obvious difference in “moral behavior” between Ludacris and Will Smith. Why does being a relatively clean cut and family friendly commercial commodity make someone a better person than someone who pursues grittier subject matter and says “fuck?” [/QUOTE] Because Ludacris and his ilk celebrate…and therefore perpetuate and encourage…illegal and immoral behavior. [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] If Will Smith is a good role model (and I actually agree that he is), then why stop at black kids? Why not just say kids in general should look up to Will Smith? He’s framing it in terms of what kind of negroes black kids should be instead of what kind of men and women they should be. [/QUOTE] I agree in principle with you here. It would be nice in a perfect world to frame the example of Smith in these terms. The problem is that many people want the discussion of race to be a one way street. It’s fine to single out blacks when you talk about how someone is allegedly oppressing them…but if you begin to talk about the statistical and demographic issues of black vs white behavior then you automatically become a racist. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/55 "2007-09-26T20:44:43Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] WWBD? I’ll just continue to say that conservative pundits are racist sexist windbags for another few decades. Then maybe some day, I’ll bother to actually listen to one of them. If it turns out everything I’ve said over the years has been wrong, I’ll be sure to express my surprise at how those pundits are just normal folks like me. [/QUOTE] Thank you for your honesty. One benefit of this approach is that it holds down intellectual strain. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/56 "2007-09-26T20:52:45Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Because Ludacris and his ilk celebrate…and therefore perpetuate and encourage…illegal and immoral behavior. [/quote] What does he celebrate that’s immoral? I think Bill O’Reilly advocates far more immoral ideas than Ludacris does. > [@](#): > > I agree in principle with you here. It would be nice in a perfect world to frame the example of Smith in these terms. The problem is that many people want the discussion of race to be a one way street. It’s fine to single out blacks when you talk about how someone is allegedly oppressing them…but if you begin to talk about the statistical and demographic issues of black vs white behavior then you automatically become a racist. I have no idea what you think any of this means. Could you say it again in English? What do you mean by “singling out blacks” to talk about “alleged oppression?” (You really think it’s all merely “alleged?) What are the “statistical and demographic issues of black vs white behavior,” and what the fuck does any of that have to do with Bill O’Reilly being an insulting prick who presumes to lecture black folks on how they need to act?” ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/57 "2007-09-26T20:58:30Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Thank you for your honesty. One benefit of this approach is that it holds down intellectual strain. [/QUOTE] It’s always interesting to me when one ideologue chastises another for lack of intellectual honesty But that’s me. ---
**Author:** ![DirkGntly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DirkGntly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DirkGntly)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/58 "2007-09-26T21:47:35Z")
Tempest in a teapot, stirred up by Media Matters, a group with a decidedly large bone to pick with Bill O’Reilly. I’m not a fan of Bill-O, but context is required. The comments were cherry-picked and edited. Essentially, Bill was saying he couldn’t get over the fact that the restaurant was like any other white-run restaurant, _ **and yet many white Americans can’t grasp that fact, and instead expect rowdiness, crudeness, and other things that are stereotypes, but not true.** _ Essentially saying he can’t get over the fact that much of America can’t grasp this concept. That is nearly 180 degrees from just saying he couldn’t get over the fact that a black-run restaurant was just like any other white-run restaurant. Get over yourselves, people, check your sources (Media Matters?? Come ON, already!), and then check the ENTIRE CONTEXT. I don’t normally defend Bill-O for making stupid comments - he’s made his fair share of them - but this time, the accusation doesn’t pass the stink test. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/59 "2007-09-26T21:51:33Z")
Billdo couldn’t get over the fact that other people can’t get over the fact? To quote Jerry Seinfeld, “who arrre these people”? Where has even the most die hard racist opined that no black adults are not capable of civility in public? Isn’t that what you call a straw man argument? If this is the opinion of those with Bill’s ear, what does that say about him? I know some die hard racists, but none of them would have this opinion on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/60 "2007-09-26T21:58:54Z")
[QUOTE=DirkGntly] Tempest in a teapot, stirred up by Media Matters, a group with a decidedly large bone to pick with Bill O’Reilly. I’m not a fan of Bill-O, but context is required. The comments were cherry-picked and edited. Essentially, Bill was saying he couldn’t get over the fact that the restaurant was like any other white-run restaurant, _ **and yet many white Americans can’t grasp that fact, and instead expect rowdiness, crudeness, and other things that are stereotypes, but not true.** _ Essentially saying he can’t get over the fact that much of America can’t grasp this concept. That is nearly 180 degrees from just saying he couldn’t get over the fact that a black-run restaurant was just like any other white-run restaurant. Get over yourselves, people, check your sources (Media Matters?? Come ON, already!), and then check the ENTIRE CONTEXT. I don’t normally defend Bill-O for making stupid comments - he’s made his fair share of them - but this time, the accusation doesn’t pass the stink test. [/QUOTE] It’s a load of crap that any significant number of white Americans think this way. Bildo was projecting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502.md?page=4)