# Bill O'Reilly, they should have fed you some of Shug Avery's pee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 26, 2007, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502 "2007-09-26T01:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![JonScribe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3be4f8/32.png) [@JonScribe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JonScribe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/101 "2007-09-27T16:58:33Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] … “I’m doin’ a hundred on the highway So if you do the speed limit, get the FUCK outta my way I’m D.U.I., hardly ever caught sober and you about to get ran the FUCK over” “Grab ya four, start a fight dog, ruin the party So move bitch, get out the way hoe All you faggot motherfuckers make way for 2-0”. … Pure poetry. [/QUOTE] Only 100. Well, Ludacris better take a look behind him. Sammy’s closing fast. > [@](#): > > One foot on the brake and one on the gas, hey! > Well, there’s too much traffic, I can’t pass, no! > So I tried my best illegal move > A big black and white come and crushed my groove again! > > Go on & write me up for 125 > Post my face, wanted dead or alive > Take my license n’ all that jive > I can’t drive 55! Oh No! Uh! ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/102 "2007-09-27T19:21:37Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] The notion of some Americans knowing blacks only from TV is bulljive, but for shits and giggles lets assume its true- do these mountain folk only get MTV? Do they not also watch, oh, Cosby show reruns? Any number of sitcoms on the UPN? Commericals with blacks? News shows with blacks? The O’Reilly show itself which often has black people in suits speaking well? No, only MTV? Check. Joe Mountain Klansman is sitting at home, watch Yo MTV Raps, and has never once in years channel surfing seen any other representation of black people on TV. etc. [/QUOTE] JESUS FUCKING CHRIST BURNED ON A FUCKING LAWN! I guess the Dopers think that the media does a FINE job of portraying black culture, huh? I guess the Dopers think that there is nothing wrong with media. I guess the Dopers think that one fucking Cosby show (which has been off the air for quite awhile) COMPLETELY FUCKING COMPENSATES for non-stop media of Vick, Riots, Crime Stats, etc. GUESS WHAT YOU DUMBFUCKS - THE MOTHERFUCKING MEDIA HAS AN IMPACT ON HOW WE THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT FUCKING GROUPS! Fuck. Based on comments in this thread, the next time the NAACP complains about how blacks are perceived based on media, we should tell them to shut the fuck up since apparently that can NOT have ANY FUCKING IMPACT on people’s opinions, huh? [http://www.yale.edu/ypq/articles/oct99/oct99b.html](http://www.yale.edu/ypq/articles/oct99/oct99b.html) For much of America, black America is understood to be that which is shown on the idiot box. While they might have a black friend, they assume that person is an outlier, and that the rest of black America is single mother welfare queen rap singing gang banging cop killing drug dealing criminals. They think that because that is what the idiot box TELLS them to think. That is why they do NOT go into Harlem for dinner (or East Palo Alto, or South Central). When someone DOES go in, and comments that it is just like what they are used to, that is a GOOD THING. How it was said is stupid as shit, but stating that having dinner in Harlem is just as pleasant has having dinner in the Village is a great step forward. The follow-up should be getting more whites to go to Sylvias. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/103 "2007-09-27T19:59:34Z")
[QUOTE=JonScribe] Only 100. Well, Ludacris better take a look behind him. Sammy’s closing fast. [/QUOTE] For that matter, Will Smith got busted for speeding in ‘Parents Just Don’t Understand’ – a rap in which he also takes his parents’ car without permission, drives sans license and picks up an underage girl. Makes you wonder why BillO thinks he’s such a hot role model. (My guess: he doesn’t know ‘The Fresh Prince’ and ‘Will Smith’ are the same guy.) ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/104 "2007-09-27T20:07:01Z")
[QUOTE=Algher] Based on comments in this thread, the next time the NAACP complains about how blacks are perceived based on media, we should tell them to shut the fuck up since apparently that can NOT have ANY FUCKING IMPACT on people’s opinions, huh? [/quote] Well, I’m sure some people would probably say yeah to that (not me). At least around here, I see few people taking the NACCP seriously. > [@](#): > > While they might have a black friend, they assume that person is an outlier, and that the rest of black America is single mother welfare queen rap singing gang banging cop killing drug dealing criminals. They think that because that is what the idiot box TELLS them to think. I agree with your overall premise, except I think it’s oversimplistic to blame it on TV. Mainstream opinion about blacks is nothing new. Been going on before 1776, let alone before the advent of TV. So it’s more likely that any ideas that whites have about blacks is simply the product of inherited memes. TV only reinforces what’s already believed. Even if someone only knew blacks through TV, they shouldn’t go around thinking blacks behave like gansters by default unless they are influenced by something else. Media portrayal of blacks is diverse enough to make this a unreasonable likelihood. Any whites who are really surprised when blacks don’t act like thugs may blame their dumbassity on TV and radio, but I think that’s an excuse. They believe what they believe because they are prejudiced. The TV didn’t make them that way. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/105 "2007-09-27T21:30:44Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] Huh. I went there the next day and when I pulled out my lighter the waiter went “What manner of God are you, who can summon fire without flint or tinder?” The long pig was delicious. [/QUOTE] I love you guys. And Ludacris? Every time he shows up for an event he’s so sweet and cute. Could it be that his music is .. oh, I don’t know, an act? ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/106 "2007-09-28T03:25:39Z")
Which hip-hop artist was it who talked about taking a shot of cocaine and shooting his woman down? And which one said, about those who were dissing him, [“\*f I could strangle these people and not go to hell and get executed … I would – but I can’t.”](http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270017?f=h_top)? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/107 "2007-09-28T12:48:19Z")
[QUOTE=DoctorJ] Which hip-hop artist was it who talked about taking a shot of cocaine and shooting his woman down? And which one said, about those who were dissing him, [“\*f I could strangle these people and not go to hell and get executed … I would – but I can’t.”](http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270017?f=h_top)? [/QUOTE] The hip hop artist was Johny Cash. > [@](#): > > Early one mornin’ while makin’ the rounds > I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down > I went right home and I went to bed > I stuck that lovin’ .44 beneath my head from [Cocaine Blues](http://www.metrolyrics.com/cocaine-blues-lyrics-johnny-cash.html) OLielly thinks he’s a horrible influence on our young people ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/108 "2007-09-28T13:35:46Z")
Actually, [Cocaine Blues](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine_Blues) was written by TJ Arnall and performed by a host of others before Johnny Cash… It was an adaptation of an earlier song called Little Sadie.[/nitpick] ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/109 "2007-09-28T14:38:15Z")
[QUOTE=An Arky] Actually, [Cocaine Blues](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine_Blues) was written by TJ Arnall and performed by a host of others before Johnny Cash… It was an adaptation of an earlier song called Little Sadie.[/nitpick] [/QUOTE] Good info. I didn’t think Johnny wrote it. I just couldn’t resist the joke and the poke at OLielly 😃 If he criticizes artists for lyrics like that he has to go back a few years and take a swipe at an American Icon like Cash. It only helps point out what an arrogant goof ball he really is. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/110 "2007-09-28T15:19:31Z")
Johnny Cash also shot a man in Reno just to watch him die, and if he hadn’t shot poor Delia, he’d have had her for his wife. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/111 "2007-09-29T02:49:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Thank you for your honesty. One benefit of this approach is that it holds down intellectual strain. Ironic, isn’t it? What with avoiding intellectual strain, you’d figure me for a regular O’Reilly viewer. Bill would just tell me the “facts” and I’d “decide” to believe everything he told me - instant political ideology with no heavy lifting on my part. But then that darned sense of honesty kicks in and I remember why I don’t listen to him. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/112 "2007-09-29T13:07:25Z")
OK, sorry for the Cash hijack, but there’s kind of a parallel between him and today’s rappers…heck I’ll even throw O’Reilly in there for giggles 😃 Johnny Cash has been well known for singing morbid, depressing, and violent songs, and wearing black. A big chunk of his audience didn’t want to see him sing _The Green Green Grass of Home_, they wanted to see him sing _Folsom Prison Blues_. Today’s rappers are in the same boat in that a big chunk of their audience (suburban white boys) _expect_ them to be sporting too much gold, grabbing their crotches, denigrating women and glorifying violence. Some rapper starts wearing suits and crooning smooth r&b, he’s going to lose a chunk of his audience. People expect Bill O’Reilly to be abrasive, right-wing, and controversial. If he started being Bill Moyers, he’d lose half his audience. All three know/knew they had to keep playing the fool to stay on the titty of popularity, I think. However, O’Reilly’s still a dick, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/113 "2007-09-29T14:31:24Z")
You know, I frequently sit around the house thinking “Gee, I’d love to go to a black owned restaurant but I’m afraid the black patrons will throw feces at each other and scream for mother fucking iced tea”. Doesn’t everyone feel this way? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/114 "2007-09-29T18:05:28Z")
To foster even more controversy: the (a?) guy with whom O’Reilly was eating that night [has an article in Time about the quotes.](http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1666573,00.html) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/115 "2007-09-29T18:07:10Z")
> [@](#): > > O’REILLY: No, no, I mean, I like that soul food. I had the meatloaf special. I had coconut shrimp. I had the iced tea. It was great. Of all the things he could have ordered at [Sylvia’s](http://sylviasrestaurant.com/menu_dailyentrees.htm) he gets meatloaf, yup Bill O’ loves him some soul food. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > O’REILLY:… it was like going into an Italian restaurant … and ordering a cheeseburger. CMC fnord! Bill, coconut shrimp ain’t even “soul food” at Outback Steakhouse! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/116 "2007-09-30T00:03:05Z")
[QUOTE=Leaper] To foster even more controversy: the (a?) guy with whom O’Reilly was eating that night [has an article in Time about the quotes.](http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1666573,00.html) [/QUOTE] Juan Williams: > [@](#): > > So imagine how totally astounded I was when I heard O’Reilly was attacked on the basis of that radio conversation as a “racist.” He was slammed for saying he went to a restaurant in Harlem and had a good time. He was slammed for saying the audience at the concert was nicely dressed. The suggestion was that O’Reilly had racist preconceptions about the restaurant and the concert crowd.What a shuffling Uncle Tom that dude’s become. Pathetic. No, he was slammed for saying he was _surprised_ that Sylvia’s wasn’t any different from a whte restaurant. He “couldn’t get over it.” What a shameless, shuffling Uncle Tom Juan Williams has become. Pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/117 "2007-09-30T00:32:33Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] What a shameless, shuffling Uncle Tom Juan Williams has become. Pathetic. [/QUOTE] I’m sad to say that I agree with you. Even with the “Uncle Tom” part. I hardly ever go there with that, but goddamn Juan. God the fuck damn. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/118 "2007-09-30T00:34:46Z")
I loved Larry Wilmore’s send up of The Visit to Sylvia’s on TDS a few days ago. Bill is indeed a brainless, racist, misogynist tool. Why he still gets airplay is beyond me (but Rush still does, too). Sadly, there are still plenty of people out there who are as racist as Bill. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/119 "2007-09-30T00:45:35Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] I’m sad to say that I agree with you. Even with the “Uncle Tom” part. I hardly ever go there with that, but goddamn Juan. God the fuck damn. [/QUOTE] I almost never say it either but Williams has really become a giant suck up for Fox and he didn’t used to be this way. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502/120 "2007-09-30T01:57:52Z")
Ironically, it just occurred to me that the last time I went to a “black-run” restaurant (or at least one that I know was “black-run”— unless they come by my table I typically have no fucking clue what race the owners and manager are) it was almost awkwardly quiet. Where the ambient noise is so low that you feel almost uncomfortable talking at a normal volume. Great soul food, though— and they did serve iced tea, although neither I nor any other customers used profanity while ordering it. Around here at least, it doesn’t really matter whether it’s black-run or white-run, or whether you’re eating fried chicken, prime rib, Penne alla Bolognese, Tacos de Carne Asada, Mongolian beef, Sukiyaki, Spanakopita, or Saag Paneer, if you poke your head into the kitchen you’ll probably find your food being prepared by Mexicans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bill-oreilly-they-should-have-fed-you-some-of-shug-averys-pee/420502.md?page=5)