# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/201 "2013-09-23T18:44:45Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > But you’ve never presented nothing in the way to prove your point by dealing with the facts of the Meier case The only fact there is to deal with is that Billy Meier gives us nothing but bullshit to examine. Give us the most solid and provable “fact” to take a look at out of all those piles of excrement-one single piece of evidence that best makes his case. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/202 "2013-09-23T18:46:28Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > No its actually a compliment thank you very much but unless some people are schizoid I cannot possibly imagine how people would mistake us for Michael And how do you know the other two of you posting in this thread _aren’t_ Michael Horn? Do you happen to know them? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/203 "2013-09-23T18:46:50Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I asked some direct questions. I want some answers. > > You,ve been shown where Meier’s claims don’t hold up. Ok lets deal with the facts one element at a time shall we This from IIgwest [http://iigwest.org/investigations/meier/wedding\_cake\_ufo\_deconstruction.html](http://iigwest.org/investigations/meier/wedding_cake_ufo_deconstruction.html) This from Dr deardorff’s > **[Zahi\_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf](https://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf)** First we’ll go through these materials taking into consideration from both sides and deal with each aspect of it. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/204 "2013-09-23T18:50:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And how do you know the other two of you posting in this thread _aren’t_ Michael Horn? Do you happen to know them? Read what they have said and do your own discernment I cannot tell you anything against what your made up mind will refute to you for whatever reason which will convince you otherwise and stuck opinions are a very powerful force that even you will not be able to overcome if you let yourself. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/205 "2013-09-23T18:51:57Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > And we have a winner! Thanks Now its a done deal you are essentially saying that no one here can refute the Billy Meier case with hard facts and that his ET contact case is genuine. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/206 "2013-09-23T18:53:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The only fact there is to deal with is that Billy Meier gives us nothing but bullshit to examine. Give us the most solid and provable “fact” to take a look at out of all those piles of excrement-one single piece of evidence that best makes his case. See my response to runner pat ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/207 "2013-09-23T18:56:56Z")
It would be fascinating to see the other side of the arguments you’re having with imaginary opponents in your head. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/208 "2013-09-23T18:58:10Z")
I think that people here should focus more on the spiritual aspect of the case rather than be bogged down by the physical aspect which they will not be able to duplicate nor refute anyway. An Introduction To The Spirit Teaching [http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy\_Meier/An\_Introduction\_To\_The\_Spirit\_Teaching](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/An_Introduction_To_The_Spirit_Teaching) Progress [http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy\_Meier/Progress](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Progress) ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/209 "2013-09-23T18:59:34Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > It would be fascinating to see the other side of the arguments you’re having with imaginary opponents in your head. Does this mean that after all this time that you are telling me you aren’t real, Blimy! ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/210 "2013-09-23T19:00:16Z")
The physical aspect would be what lends weight to the spiritual aspect. Otherwise he’s just a gibbering loon. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/211 "2013-09-23T19:03:38Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Newinitiation: Yes or no, are you actually Billy Meier? This question is ludicrous Maybe its better that you answer your own question on this one ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/212 "2013-09-23T19:03:54Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I think that people here should focus more on the spiritual aspect of the case rather than be bogged down by the physical aspect which they will not be able to duplicate nor refute anyway. > > An Introduction To The Spirit Teaching > [The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - An Introduction To The Spirit Teaching](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/An_Introduction_To_The_Spirit_Teaching) > Progress > [The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - Progress](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Progress) Is there any field where he _doesn’t_ spew vast amounts of bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/213 "2013-09-23T19:05:45Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > The physical aspect would be what lends weight to the spiritual aspect. Otherwise he’s just a gibbering loon. Then deal with it instead of just hurling profanities at it! There is so much proof material and evidence presented which will prove the genuiness of the case if only people dealt with it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/214 "2013-09-23T19:06:51Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Ok lets deal with the facts one element at a time shall we > > This from IIgwest > > [http://iigwest.org/investigations/meier/wedding\_cake\_ufo\_deconstruction.html](http://iigwest.org/investigations/meier/wedding_cake_ufo_deconstruction.html) > > This from Dr deardorff’s > > [http://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi\_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf](http://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf) > > First we’ll go through these materials taking into consideration from both sides and deal with each aspect of it. Why won’t you explain it yourself? I looked through your second link. Total fabrication from front to back. The UFO in the driveway is obviously a small model, Ray Charles could see that. The UFO “hovering” over the trees is sitting on the top of the tree, you can see the bent branches. Who did the WCUFO investigation? What is their affiliation? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/215 "2013-09-23T19:07:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is there any field where he _doesn’t_ spew vast amounts of bullshit? Well exactly what did Billy Meier state that to you is spewing vast amount of bullshit? Name one if you are able to which I doubt seeing as you’ve never read any of it! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/216 "2013-09-23T19:08:37Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Then deal with it instead of just hurling profanities at it! > > There is so much proof material and evidence presented which will prove the genuiness of the case if only people dealt with it. I think we’ll just use you as an example of what could happen if one takes this crap seriously. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/217 "2013-09-23T19:09:26Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Why won’t you explain it yourself? > > I looked through your second link. Total fabrication from front to back. The UFO in the driveway is obviously a small model, Ray Charles could see that. The UFO “hovering” over the trees is sitting on the top of the tree, you can see the bent branches. > > Who did the WCUFO investigation? What is their affiliation? That question proves you’ve never read it One of your question can be answered just by looking at the first page. Geezzzez I mean to think that this is the best that the skeptics can do, its no wonder you guys can’t refute many of the claims made by Billy ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/218 "2013-09-23T19:09:27Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I cannot tell you anything against what your made up mind will refute to you for whatever reason which will convince you otherwise and stuck opinions are a very powerful force that even you will not be able to overcome if you let yourself. That right there is a thing of beauty. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/219 "2013-09-23T19:10:33Z")
Oh. It’s a spiritual thing. Don’t mind me, then – I am spiritually blind enough to only be able to discuss actual physical manifestations of actual physical space aliens. If your case rests on spiritual evidence, then I have nothing to contribute at all. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/220 "2013-09-23T19:10:34Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > That right there is a thing of beauty. At first I thought it was a quote from _Alice In Wonderland_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=12)