# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/221 "2013-09-23T19:10:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I think we’ll just use you as an example of what could happen if one takes this crap seriously. Thanks for the compliment now its your turn ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/222 "2013-09-23T19:12:32Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Oh. It’s a spiritual thing. Don’t mind me, then – I am spiritually blind enough to only be able to discuss actual physical manifestations of actual physical space aliens. If your case rests on spiritual evidence, then I have nothing to contribute at all. No but you guys have set your own limits by not having the courage to deal with the hard physical evidence when it has been presented to you on so many numerous occasions ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/223 "2013-09-23T19:15:38Z")
Some dude faffing about with Illustrator and arithmeticing himself (and his readers) into a stupor is not hard physical evidence. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/224 "2013-09-23T19:17:23Z")
This section of the website is a great start for anyone wanting the truth of the Billy Meier case which will prove undeniably that its genuinely real and that what Billy has claimed all along was the unequivocal truth [http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge](http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/225 "2013-09-23T19:21:21Z")
Hey guys, check out this [genuine UFO](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7XGgcOVGO8). Hi tech blurry and grainy footage. Brief zoom-ins and a UFO stuck in a tree. Mostly, it’s a distant blob. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/226 "2013-09-23T19:23:02Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Some dude faffing about with Illustrator and arithmeticing himself (and his readers) into a stupor is not hard physical evidence. Gee stickler now you are making up a new word as you go along just like the pattern of behavior so reminiscent of many of the pseudo skeptics out there who cannot refute the Billy Meier case so they make up their own story as they go along There is no such a word as ‘arithmeticing’ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/227 "2013-09-23T19:23:37Z")
I like my fantasy worlds to have at the very least an _internal_ consistency, so I bid Meier’s imaginary “case”, his imaginary critics-turned-supporters, his “facts” and his disciples avidly dedicated to fanning the wet ashes of their cause adieu until such time that he/they deigns to touch base with reality. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/228 "2013-09-23T19:27:07Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Hey guys, check out this [genuine UFO](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7XGgcOVGO8). Hi tech blurry and grainy footage. Brief zoom-ins and a UFO stuck in a tree. > Mostly, it’s a distant blob. Look closer its a distant object at least 100 yards or over 90m away [http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge/final-proof-meiers-ufo-photos-genuine](http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge/final-proof-meiers-ufo-photos-genuine) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/229 "2013-09-23T19:27:59Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Gee stickler now you are making up a new word as you go along just like the pattern of behavior so reminiscent of many of the pseudo skeptics out there who cannot refute the Billy Meier case so they make up their own story as they go along > > There is no such a word as ‘arithmeticing’ Unsurprisingly, you are wrong on both the charge of no such word existing and that I made it up. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/230 "2013-09-23T19:29:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I like my fantasy worlds to have at the very least an _internal_ consistency, so I bid Meier’s imaginary “case”, his imaginary critics-turned-supporters, his “facts” and his disciples avidly dedicated to fanning the wet ashes of their cause adieu until such time that he/they deigns to touch base with reality. Look man no amount of name calling and innuendos levelled against the Billy Meier contact case will ever make it not real as it has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that it is genuine and that Billy has been telling the truth all these years. If you can’t accept reality for what it is then you might have to look harder ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/231 "2013-09-23T19:30:46Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Unsurprisingly, you are wrong on both the charge of no such word existing and that I made it up. And your case being? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/232 "2013-09-23T19:31:05Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Look closer its a distant object at least 100 yards or over 90m away > > [http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge/final-proof-meiers-ufo-photos-genuine](http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge/final-proof-meiers-ufo-photos-genuine) I got news for you. It’s possible to get sharp video from a long distance. Ohh, _two_ flashing lights. I’m convinced. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/233 "2013-09-23T19:35:43Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I got news for you. It’s possible to get sharp video from a long distance. > > Ohh, _two_ flashing lights. I’m convinced. Yeah with the benefit of hindsight and many decades of technical advancement we enjoy nowadays This was filmed back in the 70’s with 70’s technology when no personal computers were widespread nor such a thing as photoshop yet why impose todays standards on that era. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/234 "2013-09-23T19:37:26Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > And your case being? A word is a morpheme or collection of morphemes that expresses an idea. Arithmeticing is such an object. I admit, it is not widely used or well-known but its parts: arithmetic and the suffix -ing are and their construction in this case is obvious. As to longevity, a simple google search will show that this word has been used as far back as 2008. This is all an irrelevant tangent however. I’m much more interested in how my disinclination to believe a garbage can lid is a space ship is somehow more symptomatic of an inability to reason than your insistence that it is. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/235 "2013-09-23T19:39:39Z")
[http://www.theyfly.com/dialogue-skeptic](http://www.theyfly.com/dialogue-skeptic) You guys might learn a thing or two No matter what the pseudo skeptic hurl at the Billy Meier case they just can’t refute it no matter how much they try. Thanks to Michael Horn for his dedicated service for the truth and you guys will one day think the same and much more ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/236 "2013-09-23T19:40:57Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Yeah with the benefit of hindsight and many decades of technical advancement we enjoy nowadays > > This was filmed back in the 70’s with 70’s technology when no personal computers were widespread nor such a thing as photoshop yet why impose todays standards on that era. Cameras were better than that then and you damn well know it. This is 2013. Why no recent films with up-to-date tech? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/237 "2013-09-23T19:44:11Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > A word is a morpheme or collection of morphemes that expresses an idea. Arithmeticing is such an object. I admit, it is not widely used or well-known but its parts: arithmetic and the suffix -ing are and their construction in this case is obvious. > > As to longevity, a simple google search will show that this word has been used as far back as 2008. > > This is all an irrelevant tangent however. I’m much more interested in how my disinclination to believe a garbage can lid is a space ship is somehow more symptomatic of an inability to reason than your insistence that it is. Because it isn’t part of a garbage can lid for crying out loud Stickler No matter how much you have convinced yourself that it is part of a garbage can lid does not negate the truth of the matter that the WCUFO is real and the evidence is overwhelming All you need is a good cup of your favorite coffee and have a nice sit down and read the proof material presented and do so with logic ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/238 "2013-09-23T19:47:20Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Cameras were better than that then and you damn well know it. > > This is 2013. Why no recent films with up-to-date tech? Oh thats rubbish! You mean to say that we haven’t improved technically in this field since that time!? What year are you living in? As for the recent films, this will suffice as what is the use of more proof material if people won’t deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/239 "2013-09-23T19:53:00Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Well show us your proof as to why it is bullshit in your mind > You haven’t dealt with the facts of the case at all but merely thrown a few expletives which contributes nothing to what would be deemed an intelligent argument This thread is choc-a-bloc with evidence that Meier is either a lunatic or a particularly inept fraud. You haven’t addressed a single one of those posts. Once you work through that pile, then we’ll see about bringing up some new evidence. But right now, your plate is pretty full. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/240 "2013-09-23T19:55:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > This thread is choc-a-bloc with evidence that Meier is either a lunatic or a particularly inept fraud. You haven’t addressed a single one of those posts. Once you work through that pile, then we’ll see about bringing up some new evidence. But right now, your plate is pretty full. Gee I have provided many links to the contentions people have made here which will no doubt answer and address their refutations so what is your problem? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=13)