# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/321 "2013-09-24T14:55:08Z")
And where did you people come from, all together at the same time? What attracted you to this, of all boards? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/322 "2013-09-24T14:55:31Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > How _convenient_. The aliens let him take hundreds of pictures, give him metal samples and then take it all away so he has no proof. Has anyone ever seen Billy Meier and Joseph Smith in a room together? Does Meier wear special underwear? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/323 "2013-09-24T15:19:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And where did you people come from, all together at the same time? What attracted you to this, of all boards? They’re both Meier fanboys. Google their username+Meier. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/324 "2013-09-24T15:27:42Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > About the dinosaurs > > You better hear it straight from Billy You realize that no matter how much of his evidence is shown to be faked, Meier isn’t going to announce “You got me, it’s all highly-profitable bullshit”, right? There will always be a flimsy excuse. Meier having a response to people pointing out his fake photos doesn’t mean they aren’t fake. One thing I did notice, reading those Future of Mankind articles: > [@Billy Meier](#): > > Today, all of these pictures are no longer available, also no slides and no negatives or films, because all the material was taken away from me and destroyed by Quetzal. The reason for this was that he was furious because countless of these pictures and slides as well as films were falsified in order to discriminate against me. The counterfeits were distributed in many places and even exchanged with my own material, whereby the genuine shots were stolen from me, which were so numerous that replacements of the slides were no longer noticeable to me, especially since I didn’t look at them constantly. > [@The Future of Mankind](#): > > Here then are the facts: Photographs, which actually should have shown the images of Asket and Nera inside a spacecraft, were manipulated in 1975 by S., a photographer who claimed he was from the Rhinevalley region in Switzerland. By retouching, recopying, and “sandwiching” separate sequences, S. adapted and arranged the photos to look the same as Billy’s originals (which no longer exist now). These forgeries were done so perfectly, that not even Billy noticed the adulterations over the past 23 years, since the two female look-alikes in the photos have an extremely close resemblance to Asket and Nera, right down to the last detail. > [@The Future of Mankind](#): > > Since the “Men in Black” organization could not get to Billy personally after eleven assassination attempts, they severely pressured others who worked with him—such as the above-mentioned photographer S.—into discrediting Billy. So, this organization is able to steal Meier’s photographs and replace them with forgeries he doesn’t recognize as forgeries - **repeatedly** - but went 0-for-11 on assassination attempts? It’s the classic “genius fools” that conspiracy theories always seem to require. And the true believers consider this more likely than Meier just being a clumsy liar. Which is truly sad. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/325 "2013-09-24T15:54:13Z")
I just don’t trust life-changing revelations from anyone named “Billy”. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/326 "2013-09-24T16:27:25Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I just don’t trust life-changing revelations from anyone named “Billy”. Even Billy Pilgrim? ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/327 "2013-09-25T01:09:05Z")
If the ET’s wanted to absolutely prove their presence they could land on the White House lawn or do something to that effect. But the ET’s don’t want want to absolutely prove their presence. At least not at this time. As a matter of fact this level of proof actually did happen during the time of Jmmanuel. And the proof part didn’t turn out so well. According to the Talmud Jammanuel the ET’s landed their craft (metalic light) several times as Jmmanuel’s disciples witnessed him being “carried into heaven”. But what did most Jammanuel’s disciples do with this proof? They turned Jammuel’s teachings into a false cult religion. They falsely named Jammanuel “Jesus Christ” and erroneously worshiped Jammuel as a savior. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/328 "2013-09-25T01:13:39Z")
It just gets weirder and weirder. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/329 "2013-09-25T01:40:18Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I’m convinced. Meier had the most regrettable luck. > > He has actual alien space ships land in his yard/tree yet he is such an incompetent photographer, the photos of actual spacecraft look like childish pranks. If he had just taken one correspondence course in photography, he would have been able to frame the photos so that you could see the actual floating UFO with something else close enough in the frame to judge the size, so it wouldn’t look like a hubcap with ornaments glued to it. > > Poor guy. The dude only had one arm. A more parsimonious explanation is that aliens are dicks, and knew he wouldn’t be able to get good photos due to his disability. > [@TheBodhi](#): > > How much evidence do we need? How many astronauts need to come forward? How many international new coverages of closed airports due to Unidentified flying objects? How many statesmen need to come forward? What constitutes as evidence? I guess its all relative… Anyway here’s a few good links that might make us ask the hard questions…Though I doubt your closed mind will let you watch for any length of time. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFB7Bu4z9Wc](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFB7Bu4z9Wc) > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eBHdFpmpHs](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eBHdFpmpHs) > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQiiQAW91DI](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQiiQAW91DI) > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8AvHDYe9bI](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8AvHDYe9bI) I watched these crappy videos from the beginning of the thread. Not all of them, cause they were horrid from the beginning, but I skipped around and got all the marrow. https://www.youtube.com/embed/NFB7Bu4z9Wc?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque AKA Canadian politico talking. Analysis: He read a book. He saw a UFO. He doesn’t seem to have any other first hand info, nor any special classified info. He’s a believer, but what does he bring new to the table? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/9eBHdFpmpHs/maxresdefault.jpg "Incredible UFO Flies Into Volcano 2012 HD") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eBHdFpmpHs) AKA Volcano has streaky thing going into it, maybe, on a couple streaky video frames. Verdict: Interesting. Could be a bug flying in front of the lens, could be a plane far away on a longish exposure. Could be a ufo, could be a giant rod shaped bacteria falling out of God’s nose. Could be a lot of things. Doesn’t make it a UFO yet. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/BQiiQAW91DI/maxresdefault.jpg "UFO SIGHTING 5 MARCH 2013 PILOT SEES UFO WHILE LANDING AT JFK AIRPORT") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQiiQAW91DI) AKA Pilot saw a drone while landing. Verdict: Pilot thought it was “a drone” with helicopter rotors. Seriously? This is evidence? Sounds like a toy. My son would be a suspect if we lived in the area. I’m sure he’s not an alien. https://www.youtube.com/embed/G8AvHDYe9bI?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque [/QUOTE] AKA: A shiny light. Verdict: The images on the video looked more like searchlights shining up than like something shining down. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/330 "2013-09-25T01:48:40Z")
Og help me, I looked at more of this proof: [Photo 29](http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge/look-out-tree): The wedding cake/trashcan ship. On the second tier of the cake, the middle line of balls, there are li’l cigar shaped protrusions between each ball, except the two balls on the viewer’s left. Below this region there is a tiny thing on the flat, the promenade deck. Did it fall out? Is the ship still spaceworthy? Did all the ufonauts die of exposure to our earth atmosphere? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/331 "2013-09-25T01:56:41Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I just don’t trust life-changing revelations from anyone named “Billy”. I’ll have you know that OxyClean changed my life. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/332 "2013-09-25T02:22:10Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Even Billy Pilgrim? Bokononism is the only true religion. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/333 "2013-09-25T04:11:42Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > It just gets weirder and weirder. Yes the truth is really stranger than fiction especially for those that least know it ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/334 "2013-09-25T04:12:50Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I just don’t trust life-changing revelations from anyone named “Billy”. Well try Eduard Albert Meier ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/335 "2013-09-25T04:17:19Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Btw, all these “investigators” you keep citing are already in the UFO camp, certainly biased to find in Meier’s favor. > That’s not investigating. > I can guarantee you even the most skeptical will be convinced if you bring out some real evidence. > > Fake photos and vanishing samples just don’t cut it in the real world. Oh rubbish The original investigators Brit Elder, Tom Welsh and Lee Elders didn’t want anything to do with it at first. They were running a private investigative firm and prior to Meier they didn’t even deal with ufology So where did you pull that one out from The real evidence has already been presented on numerous occasions ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/336 "2013-09-25T04:19:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And where did you people come from, all together at the same time? What attracted you to this, of all boards? I hope the same reason that you joined this forum for To fight ignorance but its taking longer than I thought since ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/337 "2013-09-25T04:20:06Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > No sensible person would spend countess hours researching these ridiculous photos. But no sensible person would say something as stupid as that ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/338 "2013-09-25T04:24:10Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > How _convenient_. The aliens let him take hundreds of pictures, give him metal samples and then take it all away so he has no proof. > Pretty fucking careless of him to have such valuable evidence and so casual about protecting it. > Just think, if he had published it in a major newspaper or magazine, there would be no way it would have disappeared. > If he had sent such unique metal to a major lab, the results would have been widely known. Billy didn’t own a newspaper nor a magazine so how the heck does he decide what reporters will decide to publish let alone run his story The original investigators did send the metal samples to Dr Marcel Vogel from IBM so you can’t get any major than that Try from 30:49 ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/339 "2013-09-25T04:28:27Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > What tests? Who ran them? Where are the results? > > If I, as a scientist, simply announced that I tested my hypothesis and found that it was true, I would be laughed out of my profession. Without supporting evidence - raw data - your word is worth exactly zero. If this “test” you claim has been passed is worth anything at all, it will withstand scrutiny, so there’s no reason not to make the data freely available. The original investigators Wendelle Stevens, Tom Welsh, Brit Elders and Lee Elders did send the photos off to be analysed by Jim Dilletoso. Billy didn't do his own investigation of his own proof material because he was the one who took the photos and video footage so why are you applying such a ridiculous exmaple ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/340 "2013-09-25T04:30:04Z")
Wot, no comment on photo 29? 6 posts in a row from **newinitiation** , and nothing about my question. Seriously, I go look at the stuff you guys post, ask a question and I get bupkiss. Screw this action, Jackson, y’all are obviously not interested in a discussion of your own damn evidence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=18)