# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/341 "2013-09-25T04:30:40Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Bokononism is the only true religion. No wonder you have a great aversion for the truth ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/342 "2013-09-25T04:34:44Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Wot, no comment on photo 29? 6 posts in a row from **newinitiation** , and nothing about my question. > > Seriously, I go look at the stuff you guys post, ask a question and I get bupkiss. Screw this action, Jackson, y’all are obviously not interested in a discussion of your own damn evidence. Oh you got left out My apologies for hurting your feelings I was meaning to get to it but ya know you beat me to it. That piece you mistakenly thought that fell off is meant to be there Compare it to other photos You see it? Not yet? Yes its in most of the other photos as well ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/343 "2013-09-25T04:36:02Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’ll have you know that OxyClean changed my life. Gees no wonder ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/344 "2013-09-25T04:53:34Z")
It is the same on all the photos taken at the same time on the lawn in front of the snowy house. Otherwise it is tough to say. Might be there on the goldy photo, but you can’t tell if the cigar is missing. The many, frankly hilarious, pictures of the cake ship crashing into trees don’t show the missing cigar. Did the aliens come to earth for beer? For driving lessons? Are they high on earth’s atmosphere leaking in through their cigar hole? Also, did you notice how enormous that cardboard box is in picture 34? What came in that thing, a factory? On an unrelated note, [here’s a dinosaur attacking some people](http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1366877383648026.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/345 "2013-09-25T09:57:27Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Gees no wonder Well that’s me told. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/346 "2013-09-25T10:48:33Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > But no sensible person would say something as stupid as that Dude, the guy took a dozen goddamn photographs of that fucking thing, and every single one of them looks like a “cleverly” framed photo of a model. There is NEVER anything conveniently in frame and next to the UFO to gauge the size, or conclusively show that it actually flies. You have to rely on ridiculous reflected images from little spheres, instead of, oh I dunno, a fucking broom or a ladder or SOMETHING set in the frame near the object. Has he explained why they keep crashing into trees? The thing flew into a tiny little tree in the middle of a big field, are they fucking blind? Was the interstellar space craft disabled by nestling into the sapling? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/347 "2013-09-25T12:52:25Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Even Billy Pilgrim? Maybe Billy Squier. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/348 "2013-09-25T12:55:36Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > The original investigators Wendelle Stevens, Tom Welsh, Brit Elders and Lee Elders did send the photos off to be analysed by Jim Dilletoso. > > Billy didn't do his own investigation of his own proof material because he was the one who took the photos and video footage so why are you applying such a ridiculous exmaple Wendelle Stevens"]Wendelle Stevens {QUOTE]Wendelle Stevens, is a retired USAF fighter pilot turned UFO investigator and researcher in 1949. [/QUOTE] Couldn’t find when the others first entered the field. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/349 "2013-09-25T15:00:47Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > No wonder you have a great aversion for the truth We have an expression here. Whoosh. It’s the sound a joke makes when it flies over the heads of those who don’t get it. It may also be the sound that Billy’s fake UFOs make when he throws them in the trash after taking the pictures. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/350 "2013-09-25T15:40:36Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > We have an expression here. Whoosh. It’s the sound a joke makes when it flies over the heads of those who don’t get it. > > It may also be the sound that Billy’s fake UFOs make when he throws them in the trash after taking the pictures. I thought he put them back on top of the can. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/351 "2013-09-25T19:13:23Z")
I take all my philosophical guidance from Billy D. Williams. ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/352 "2013-09-26T01:12:03Z")
To Pope Francis, I know you have problems with the women, gays, and Pentacostals, but when the Billy Meier case and Talmud Jmmanuel goes viral your chruch will shrink significantly. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/353 "2013-09-26T01:15:00Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > To Pope Francis, I know you have problems with the women, gays, and Pentacostals, but when the Billy Meier case and Talmud Jmmanuel goes viral your chruch will shrink significantly. I’m sure at his age, his chruch is already shrunken. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/354 "2013-09-26T01:30:41Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > How _convenient_. The aliens let him take hundreds of pictures, give him metal samples and then take it all away so he has no proof. > Pretty fucking careless of him to have such valuable evidence and so casual about protecting it. > Just think, if he had published it in a major newspaper or magazine, there would be no way it would have disappeared. > If he had sent such unique metal to a major lab, the results would have been widely known. Further proof that Billy isn’t a fake, the aliens are just dicks whole like to mess with him. This hypothesis, here after referred to as the **Aliens R Dicks** hypothesis, explains everything that Billy’s ideas explain - visitations, chats, metal samples - as well as the difficult to explain stuff, like Billy’s alien girl pictures turning into pictures of humans, the aliens always crashing into trees when he tries to get a picture of their ship, and his samples disappearing. ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/355 "2013-09-26T01:49:38Z")
The Talmud Jmmanuel has more historical veracity than its nearest cognate the Book of Matthew. In other words it’s easier to show the TJ is an original and Matthew is a falsification of that original. The TJ was discovered by Billy Meier c1963 near Jerusalem. He was led to its burial site by ET impulses.The TJ teaches that god was nothing more than an extraterrestrial human. And higher than god is immeasurable omnipotent creation. Your immortal spirit form is a part/piece of omnipotent creation. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/356 "2013-09-26T01:52:05Z")
Cool story, bro. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/357 "2013-09-26T05:28:49Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > It is the same on all the photos taken at the same time on the lawn in front of the snowy house. Otherwise it is tough to say. Might be there on the goldy photo, but you can’t tell if the cigar is missing. > > The many, frankly hilarious, pictures of the cake ship crashing into trees don’t show the missing cigar. Did the aliens come to earth for beer? For driving lessons? Are they high on earth’s atmosphere leaking in through their cigar hole? > > Also, did you notice how enormous that cardboard box is in picture 34? What came in that thing, a factory? On an unrelated note, [here’s a dinosaur attacking some people](http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1366877383648026.jpg) Hey look closer! > **[Zahi\_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf](https://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf)** ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/358 "2013-09-26T05:32:09Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Dude, the guy took a dozen goddamn photographs of that fucking thing, and every single one of them looks like a “cleverly” framed photo of a model. There is NEVER anything conveniently in frame and next to the UFO to gauge the size, or conclusively show that it actually flies. You have to rely on ridiculous reflected images from little spheres, instead of, oh I dunno, a fucking broom or a ladder or SOMETHING set in the frame near the object. > > Has he explained why they keep crashing into trees? The thing flew into a tiny little tree in the middle of a big field, are they fucking blind? Was the interstellar space craft disabled by nestling into the sapling? Well how fucking stupid does somebody have to be not to be able to see that the trees in those photos are enormous giving a clear reference to the size of the UFO. Gees ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/359 "2013-09-26T05:36:13Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Hey look closer! > > [http://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi\_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf](http://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf) Did you not look at the picture with the dinosaur attacking those people? It is also enormous. Scary stuff. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/360 "2013-09-26T05:37:10Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Wendelle Stevens"]Wendelle Stevens > {QUOTE]Wendelle Stevens, is a retired USAF fighter pilot turned UFO investigator and researcher in 1949. Couldn’t find when the others first entered the field. [/QUOTE] Wendelle Stevens brought these independent private investigators along to meet with Billy Meier and for them to do their own independent research after he has done his own initial investigation to prove a fraud. They came away convinced that Billy Meier’s contact case was real https://www.youtube.com/embed/vzG6B4uEuwA?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=19)