# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/381 "2013-09-26T16:07:18Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > So lets get the story straight so far. Aliens choose one man to [del]torment[/del] visit. Over the years, they allow him to take photos and film, give him a metal sample and are surprised when he goes public. To teach Earth a lesson, they start ramming trees. > > Then they sneak in, steal all the film and metal and leave behind forgeries. > Billy notices/fails to notice the switch, continues to use the fakes as proof. > > Then the CIA and Mossad(notice the correct spelling), who have failed 11 times to kill and old man, then steal the fakes and substitute their own. > Billy notices/fails to notice the switch, continues to use the new fakes as proof. > > Is that about right so far? When you phrase it like that, the story does sound incredibly plausible. No, not “plausible”…what’s the word?..oh yeah - “stupid”. Incredibly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/382 "2013-09-26T16:53:53Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > When you phrase it like that, the story does sound incredibly plausible. > > No, not “plausible”…what’s the word?..oh yeah - “stupid”. Incredibly stupid. There’s such a fine line between the two. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/383 "2013-09-26T16:55:52Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > So lets get the story straight so far. Aliens choose one man to [del]torment[/del] visit. Over the years, they allow him to take photos and film, give him a metal sample and are surprised when he goes public. To teach Earth a lesson, they start ramming trees. > > Then they sneak in, steal all the film and metal and leave behind forgeries. > Billy notices/fails to notice the switch, continues to use the fakes as proof. > > Then the CIA and Mossad(notice the correct spelling), who have failed 11 times to kill and old man, then steal the fakes and substitute their own. > Billy notices/fails to notice the switch, continues to use the new fakes as proof. > > Is that about right so far? This leaves us with 3 possible scenarios: 1. Meier is truthful, **aliens are dicks** , CIA and Mossad are incompetent 2. Meier is truthful, **aliens are incompetent** , CIA and Mossad are incompetent 3. **Meier is untruthful** , aliens are not involved, CIA and Mossad are not involved I favor #1, aliens are dicks. Seriously, look how they drive. I think they’re drunk. Here’s a graphic [that sums up the Meier scenario.](http://theoccultsection.com/2011/03/18/far-side-friday-31811/) ---
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/384 "2013-09-26T16:56:32Z")
" Drunk on earth’s atmosphere leaking in through the portholes." thank you Mr Attack…made my day…now FIX those leaks!! We need clarity!! ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/385 "2013-09-26T16:57:22Z")
On the plus side, since y’all have been encouraging us to check out the information on Meier and his story, I’ve found out about Kalliope, his ex, who says he’s a fake. Which is interesting. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/386 "2013-09-26T17:04:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Shows what you know. My eyes are fully bionic. Get a refund ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/387 "2013-09-26T17:08:53Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Snerk. > > Can you comment on the UFO crashing into a lone tree in the middle of a big field? I mean, seriously, my 5 year old could pilot a ship well enough to avoid a big tree, though I might have to remind him a few times about not hitting things with Daddy’s Flying Saucer. > > Then they go and abandon it in the tree, or something? Were they high? I suppose if they smoked a bunch of weed then went tooling around in a fog, they might say “Well, I guess that’s close enough, let’s get some Doritos and call it a night.” For heaven sakes get your eyeballs in order or in your case in the right place, why does it have to look like it has crashed into a tree, what kind of bullshit logic is that and if it did would it be floating in the air!? I mean how stupid can a person get to even think like this in the first place I mean of all scenarios. Blimy ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/388 "2013-09-26T17:10:15Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Wait, are they saying that Meier illegally removed valuable archaeological artifacts from Israel? Because if so, I have a few phone calls to make. Well make one and see who would come out the fool ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/389 "2013-09-26T17:12:21Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I’m cowering in the corner of my room at this very moment. > Sorry, I’m doubled over with laughter. My mistake. Laugh all you want whilst you have the time for it is running out fast and you better believe it ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/390 "2013-09-26T17:14:01Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I mean how stupid can a person get to even think like this in the first place I mean of all scenarios. > > Blimy That’s what we were thinking. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/391 "2013-09-26T17:15:02Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Laugh all you want whilst you have the time for it is running out fast and you better believe it I’m curious. What is supposed to happen? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/392 "2013-09-26T17:15:49Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > They don’t look remotely like enormous trees - look at the branch patterns. Large trees are not just little trees scaled up. At best they’re saplings; at worst they’re models. How stupid do you have to be not to notice that? > > And that’s ignoring the effect that having a honking great UFO stuck in a tree would have on the tree, but I suppose they could still have the gravitational defurbulator on or something. Do you seriously think that a one armed Swiss farmer with meager means could seriously pull something as gigantic a fraud as you assume he has without accomplices all these number of years without being found out not to mention the logistic difficulty of doing so alone out in the woods without having witnesses to dob him in!? You better get you head checked ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/393 "2013-09-26T17:17:06Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Substitute “my favorite woo/conspiracy theory” for “Billy Meier’s contact case” in the above quote and you have the classic comeback of devotees of looniness. > > “I’ll be vindicated someday and you’ll all be humbled by the Truth!!!” > > Yeah, don’t forget to call when that magical moment arrives. Make sure you be around for it ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/394 "2013-09-26T17:23:24Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > For heaven sakes get your eyeballs in order or in your case in the right place, why does it have to look like it has crashed into a tree, what kind of bullshit logic is that and if it did would it be floating in the air!? What? It’s not stuck in the tree? He took a 5 minute long video of the thing and it didn’t move an inch, are you telling me it was floating NEAR the tree? And, in order to document this amazing event, he took a video from the ONE vantage point that had the tree behind the UFO? He couldn’t move the camera 20 feet and show the space between tree and UFO? He deliberately chose the ONE vantage point that would put the floatiness of the UFO into question? Surely the worlds worst cinematographer. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/395 "2013-09-26T17:23:43Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Since we’re being all scientific and factual here, why not extrapolate this? > > Billy Meier has three believers (though you’re probably all paid employees, eh Michael Horn?). In the 10 days you’ve been arguing here, you’ve gained an additional … zero believers. Let’s graph that out. > > ```auto > > 10 > 9 > 8 > 7 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 3 _____________________________________________ > 2 > 1 > 0 > > 9/16 9/18 9/20 9/22 9/24 9/26 9/28 9/30 > > > ``` > > That means that you’ll have the majority of people around the world, um, mumblety seleven, carry the pi, times a dinosaur eating a garbage can lid… > > sometime after the universe comes to an end. > > But saying “I told you so” to the endless empty void will no doubt feel as satisfying as your huge victory here. Gees what makes you think that I am out here for a victory which means nothing to me because such an intention to win for whatever purposes that it achieves is as useless as your arguments against the truth of the genuineness of the Billy Meier case. Such an empty and the lowest common denominator of human reasoning which you have projected upon me speaks more about your level of poverty of consciousness than my feeble attempt here to disseminate the pearls before the swine and just as Jmmanuel had prophetically foretold, this is another classic case of history repeating itself. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/396 "2013-09-26T17:26:57Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Gees what makes you think that I am out here for a victory which means nothing to me because such an intention to win for whatever purposes that it achieves is as useless as your arguments against the truth of the genuineness of the Billy Meier case. > > **Such an empty and the lowest common denominator of human reasoning which you have projected upon me speaks more about your level of poverty of consciousness than my feeble attempt here to disseminate the pearls before the swine and just as Jmmanuel had prophetically foretold, this is another classic case of history repeating itself.** Look guys, he found a thesaurus. Maybe Billy took a picture of a thesaurus when he went back in time. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/397 "2013-09-26T17:29:33Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Do you seriously think that a one armed Swiss farmer with meager means could seriously pull something as gigantic a fraud as you assume he has without accomplices all these number of years How gigantic an effort do you think it is to hot-glue some Christmas tree bulbs to a trash can lid and stick it in a tree? > [@](#): > > without being found out Oh yes, he’s been found out and heartily laughed at too. That’s what most others’ posts in this thread have been about. > [@](#): > > not to mention the logistic difficulty of doing so alone out in the woods without having witnesses to dob him in!? Step 1: Find tree. Step 2: Stick trash can lid in tree. Step 3: Aim camera (don’t bother to focus) Step 4: Drop off film at drug store. Step 5: Post photos on Web; see who actually gets fooled by that half-assedness. Yes, it only takes one person, and the whole thing maybe half a drunken weekend day. > [@](#): > > You better get you head checked 😉 ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/398 "2013-09-26T17:29:49Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Brilliant. “An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does the truth become error because nobody will see it. (Young India 1924-1926)” ― Mahatma Gandhi ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/399 "2013-09-26T17:30:59Z")
Serious question- **Mystic7** what specifically convinced you Billy was telling the truth? Why did you choose him over John Edward, or Eckankar? Or any of the other modern prophets or prophetic groups? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/400 "2013-09-26T17:31:06Z")
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