# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/401 "2013-09-26T17:36:08Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Boy, that IS odd! Why, I’d say that that is so difficult to wrap my head around that it even sounds like complete bullshit! Hey nobody asked you to wrap your head around anything, you might end up with a cracked head and a nasty headache. Just think about it n honesty ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/402 "2013-09-26T17:38:01Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > So lets get the story straight so far. Aliens choose one man to [del]torment[/del] visit. Over the years, they allow him to take photos and film, give him a metal sample and are surprised when he goes public. To teach Earth a lesson, they start ramming trees. > > Then they sneak in, steal all the film and metal and leave behind forgeries. > Billy notices/fails to notice the switch, continues to use the fakes as proof. > > Then the CIA and Mossad(notice the correct spelling), who have failed 11 times to kill and old man, then steal the fakes and substitute their own. > Billy notices/fails to notice the switch, continues to use the new fakes as proof. > > Is that about right so far? No period get your facts straight! ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/403 "2013-09-26T17:39:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > When you phrase it like that, the story does sound incredibly plausible. > > No, not “plausible”…what’s the word?..oh yeah - “stupid”. Incredibly stupid. Gee for the first time you actually got one fact right Yep stupid! ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/404 "2013-09-26T17:40:25Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > There’s such a fine line between the two. In your head only ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/405 "2013-09-26T17:41:26Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > This leaves us with 3 possible scenarios: > > 1. Meier is truthful, **aliens are dicks** , CIA and Mossad are incompetent > > 2. Meier is truthful, **aliens are incompetent** , CIA and Mossad are incompetent > > 3. **Meier is untruthful** , aliens are not involved, CIA and Mossad are not involved > > I favor #1, aliens are dicks. Seriously, look how they drive. I think they’re drunk. > > Here’s a graphic [that sums up the Meier scenario.](http://theoccultsection.com/2011/03/18/far-side-friday-31811/) Wrong on all accounts Give it another go ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/406 "2013-09-26T17:43:51Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > On the plus side, since y’all have been encouraging us to check out the information on Meier and his story, I’ve found out about Kalliope, his ex, who says he’s a fake. Which is interesting. Oh really She has signed a witness testimony claiming to have seen UFOs and supporting her ex husbands claims ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/407 "2013-09-26T17:46:46Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > That’s what we were thinking. Oh good then you are supporting the veracity of Meier’s claims You should’ve said so from the beginning Now we have another Meier supporter Good on ya! ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/408 "2013-09-26T17:50:27Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I’m curious. What is supposed to happen? Wait and see ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/409 "2013-09-26T17:50:35Z")
If you click the middle icon in the lower right of every post you want to quote and then click on post reply, all the posts you want to respond to will be in the editor and you don’t have to post a billion times in a row. Now then, back to whatever it is you think you are doing. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/410 "2013-09-26T17:50:54Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Oh really > > She has signed a witness testimony claiming to have seen UFOs and supporting her ex husbands claims [Kalliope sounds off.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMKT0r9cL8)Starts about 4:20 ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/411 "2013-09-26T17:52:16Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > What? It’s not stuck in the tree? He took a 5 minute long video of the thing and it didn’t move an inch, are you telling me it was floating NEAR the tree? > > And, in order to document this amazing event, he took a video from the ONE vantage point that had the tree behind the UFO? He couldn’t move the camera 20 feet and show the space between tree and UFO? He deliberately chose the ONE vantage point that would put the floatiness of the UFO into question? > > Surely the worlds worst cinematographer. Look closer damn it It did move slightly! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/412 "2013-09-26T17:53:24Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Look closer damn it > > It did move slightly! You mean when the tree shook? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/413 "2013-09-26T17:53:33Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Look guys, he found a thesaurus. > Maybe Billy took a picture of a thesaurus when he went back in time. Fuck me dead what’s kind of twisted shit is this ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/414 "2013-09-26T17:54:12Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Look closer damn it > > It did move slightly! It did?! Oh! Well, then! Aliens are totally real, guys! ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/415 "2013-09-26T17:57:04Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > How gigantic an effort do you think it is to hot-glue some Christmas tree bulbs to a trash can lid and stick it in a tree? > > Oh yes, he’s been found out and heartily laughed at too. That’s what most others’ posts in this thread have been about. > > Step 1: Find tree. Step 2: Stick trash can lid in tree. Step 3: Aim camera (don’t bother to focus) Step 4: Drop off film at drug store. Step 5: Post photos on Web; see who actually gets fooled by that half-assedness. > > Yes, it only takes one person, and the whole thing maybe half a drunken weekend day. > > 😉 All this for one photo yet Billy has taken thousands therefore multiply this by a thousand and you could clearly see the logistical nightmare not to mention the time it takes to pull if off without being caught Yep Why not give it a try yourself ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/416 "2013-09-26T18:00:47Z")
OOPS I forgot to address my questions to **NewIntitiation** and **TheBodhi** I’ll repeat myself- What specifically made you believe Billy was telling the truth? Why choose Billy over any of the many other prophets or prophetic groups? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/417 "2013-09-26T18:00:58Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > [Kalliope sounds off.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMKT0r9cL8)Starts about 4:20 After the divorce Gees what do you expect! ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/418 "2013-09-26T18:04:46Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > You mean when the tree shook? Wrong! ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/419 "2013-09-26T18:17:06Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > OOPS > > I forgot to address my questions to **NewIntitiation** and **TheBodhi** > > I’ll repeat myself- > > What specifically made you believe Billy was telling the truth? > > Why choose Billy over any of the many other prophets or prophetic groups? For accuracy sake although I don’t give a fuck its Newinitiation thank you Now to your question or rather a trap or entrapment or whatever! To your first question It isn’t based on belief and you better believe it. After a painstaking investigation and research to satisfy my curiosity I ended up with the only inevitable conclusion that Billy was telling the truth although I started out as a skeptic having seen that photo of WCUFO hovering above a van which I took for a model close up to the camera, I was offended and never touch it for six months until I had the urge to go back and reassess it. I was prompted by an article Ms Vivienne Legg had wrote and gave it another try knowing that in all fairness I didn’t do my due diligence with an honest investigation of the case by first reading upon what Billy really said. To cut the long story short after careful piecing of the jigsaw puzzle by adding all facts presented in the case and testing it to logic and scientific possibilities of our current day I was convinced that the enormity and the breath of the material including the contact notes could not be fabricated even by a genius unless it was actually true. Everything was consistent and made sense not because I wanted to believe it but rather by being in a skeptical position it rather helped my investigation because I wanted to prove that it was lie. I would have to write a book to explain everything in detail but that is the crux of it. BTW good question and I hope you mean it by asking it in sincerity. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/420 "2013-09-26T18:20:15Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > All this for one photo yet Billy has taken thousands So he’s had a \*lot \*of drunken weekends. 😉 We’re really gonna miss you when you’re gone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=22)