# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/481 "2013-09-27T01:48:52Z")
**Mystic7** I’m confused. If I recall things right Mossad stole the original copy of the Talmud Jmanuel. Now, you say that they killed the translator. How did the text get out? And why didn’t they or the CIA kill Billy? ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/482 "2013-09-27T04:05:07Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Hey nobody asked you to wrap your head around anything, you might end up with a cracked head and a nasty headache. > > Just think about it n honesty I did. I concluded that this is a pathetic hoax. Or that aliens are dicks. Either is fine with me. > [@runner pat](#): > > [Kalliope sounds off.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMKT0r9cL8)Starts about 4:20 You know, if I’d seen something utterly amazing, like UFOs on my farm, aliens hanging out with my spouse, I’d probably not lie about it afterwards just to piss off my ex. I mean seriously, if Billy’s UFO thing were a real thing, she’d be worried about the aliens or men in black or some other scary aspect of the UFO world. She doesn’t seem worried, she seems pissed that she married some maroon who spends his days hoaxing people with garbage can lid models. > [@newinitiation](#): > > Come on for crying out loud > > Compare these two ladies in the photo > > Do they look like the same people to you > > I mean really > > [TheyFly.com - The Billy Meier UFO Contacts - Asket & Nera Photos](http://theyfly.com/Asket_%26_Nera.htm) > > Go to 'Meier alien photo and compare it with Dean Martin “ding-a-ling” photo Oooh OOO mister Kotter! Check out this [before and after photo of this guy. Unbelievable](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2377489/How-shots-used-aggressive-marketing-sell-new-diets-fitness-regimes-big-con.html), right? Maybe he’s from Betelgeuse. > [@Gedd](#): > > [This thread is what I needed after reading the Holocaust one.] No shit. I’m only active in 2 threads now, this one and the holocaust one. I’m starting to despair. ETA: That’s a nice octopus. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/483 "2013-09-27T05:01:41Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > I had heard of Billy Meier before this thread, but I’ve become much more acquainted with the story after having read it. Now I’m scratching my head, wondering what Billy thinks he’s accomplishing with all this. > > Before, I had the impression that he was just scamming in order to get some notoriety, and possibly some money. Now after seeing how laughably inept ALL of the photos are, it makes me think that he is mentally unbalanced. I mean, if I were simply looking to hoax someone with fake UFO photos, maybe I’d make it out of Christmas tree ornaments and a garbage can lid, but I would find a way to photo it other than sticking it in a small tree. And if I wanted to fake pictures of aliens, I wouldn’t just take a picture of pretty women, and I wouldn’t just take a photo of my TV screen. > > Does anyone know about this Billy guy? Is he competent to take care of himself? Does he need mental help? Well most of us earthlings including you, me and everyone else on this forum and beyond are the ones who need to get our heads checked out first rather than attributing this to Billy Meier who in my opinion is the most intelligent, wise, courageous, dignified, genuine, extraordinary and incredible human being who has ever lived on the face of this planet. No its not a personality cult thing nor do I worship anybody before you fellas jump to stupid conclusions I mean seriously where can you find such a genius anywhere on the face of this planet, you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/484 "2013-09-27T05:04:54Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > who in my opinion is the most intelligent, wise, courageous, dignified, genuine, extraordinary and incredible human being who has ever lived on the face of this planet. You seem to have forgotten about Shirley Temple. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/485 "2013-09-27T05:05:57Z")
> [@Gedd](#): > > [This thread is what I needed after reading the Holocaust one.] > > **newinitiation** , does Bill have any physical evidence left besides photographs? The metal magically vanished of course (odd how that happens) but does he have anything else a university or scientific group could study or examine? > > On a side note, the Plejarens visited me last night! I took photo of the landing, posted them on Facebook, tweeted about it, and they gave me the cure for cancer and the upcomming winning Powerball numbers. Then when I refused to talk about them visiting on whale.to they got pissed! They hacked by Fb and Twitter accounts, erased my memory of the poweball numbers, and all I can recall of the cure for cancer is “14 K of G in a F P D” whatever that means. I do have this picture of a [northwest pacific tree octopus](http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/sighting.dehydrated_tree_octopus.jpg) that proves it all happened though. You just have to examine the evidence, ask how real it is, and if it makes sense. Yes he does The video footage The sound recording done with the help of Billy’s ex-wife The eyewitness testimony The prophecies and predictions published years or even decades before it happened all copyrighted The contact notes discussing numerous scientific facts The list goes on See this [Corroboration & Evidence | TheyFly.com](http://www.theyfly.com/corroboration-evidence) ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/486 "2013-09-27T05:07:43Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Absolutely, positively, 100% without question, those are the same women. Definitely. > > Let’s take a step back. It’s not enough just to provide evidence, in the sense that you can’t just wave documents in the air and say “here’s my evidence! Believe me now!” The evidence you produce has to actually support your claims. It has to argue, persuasively, that your theory is right, and alternate theories are wrong. > > Also, about the burden of proof thing, which you guys also clearly don’t understand. The burden of proof is always - ALWAYS - on the person attempting to change the status quo. That is true for me as a scientist. It is true for you with your claims. The status quo is that there is no reason to believe that we have been visited by intelligent aliens. You are trying to change that. That means it is YOUR job to prove your case. We don’t have to prove that Billy Meiers is a fraud; YOU have to prove that he isn’t. This is how intelligent thought works. I know you don’t believe a word you’ve just said otherwise if you admit what you written above to be true then you are essentially calling yourself the dumbest idiot who has ever lived ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/487 "2013-09-27T05:16:28Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Yes he does > > The video footage > > The sound recording done with the help of Billy’s ex-wife > > The eyewitness testimony > > The prophecies and predictions published years or even decades before it happened all copyrighted > > The contact notes discussing numerous scientific facts > > The list goes on > > See this [Corroboration & Evidence | TheyFly.com](http://www.theyfly.com/corroboration-evidence) Whales have been beaching themselves for decades, no big deal predicting that. New species are found every year and have been for a long time. Not that hard to predict. Mobile phones do not produce allergies. Total crock. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/488 "2013-09-27T05:19:18Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Again, you are thinking like a lawyer and not like a scientist. There are no police to call in science, things either are or they are not, and only repeatable observations can determine which any given “fact” is. > > Now, in the Meier situation, you have the wild card of allegedly supremely powerful entities who are supposed to act in their own interests. Once you begin to need to explain the motivations of immensely powerful and capricious beings you have left science and moved to evangelical theology. Capricious beings!? for fuck sakes, these extraterrestrial human beings are so intelligent, wise, dignified, honorable, and righteous to the extent that they have even considered to the finest of details what early revelation of their existence let alone their activities might do to us earthlings at the psychological level knowing that, especially the religiously inclined which happens to be in the majority, most would simply go crazy for with the revelation comes the destruction of all religions on earth which will lead to destructive wars and conflicts. Now how wise are they truly and how wise and dignified is Billy who knowing this fact decides to take it upon himself to take all the flak and even 21 documented assassination attempts on his life to allow stupid contradictory elements to be included in his evidence so that people can opt out at any time Semi plausible deniability factor was integrated into this case for this very reason ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/489 "2013-09-27T05:22:38Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Whales have been beaching themselves for decades, no big deal predicting that. New species are found every year and have been for a long time. Not that hard to predict. > Mobile phones do not produce allergies. Total crock. You are comparing apples with oranges here and its simply illogical. We aren’t dealing with something as simple as whales beaching itself on any numbers of beaches all around the world due in no less part to military sonar facilities worldwide. We are dealing with the future survival of our species and no less ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/490 "2013-09-27T05:23:42Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > You seem to have forgotten about Shirley Temple. She doesn’t even come close ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/491 "2013-09-27T05:23:48Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Now how wise are they truly and how wise and dignified is Billy who knowing this fact decides to take it upon himself to take all the flak and even **21 documented assassination attempts on his life** to allow stupid contradictory elements to be included in his evidence so that people can opt out at any time And yet this same agency can produce forgeries so perfect they fooled Meier and managed to get them into wherever the originals were stored. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/492 "2013-09-27T05:24:53Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > She doesn’t even come close Yes, she does. She has better hair. And rosy cheeks. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/493 "2013-09-27T05:26:25Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > **Mystic7** I’m confused. If I recall things right Mossad stole the original copy of the Talmud Jmanuel. Now, you say that they killed the translator. > > How did the text get out? And why didn’t they or the CIA kill Billy? Hey you are repeating the same mistake all over again Get your facts straight The TJ was never stolen by the Mossad but was burnt during an attack on Isa Rashid’s home. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/494 "2013-09-27T05:27:38Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Yes, she does. She has better hair. And rosy cheeks. Shirely temple geezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Go suck on her nipples then why don’t ya ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/495 "2013-09-27T05:32:25Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > And yet this same agency can produce forgeries so perfect they fooled Meier and managed to get them into wherever the originals were stored. The agency you are referring to encompasses far more than what you simply assume The MIB also had an extraterrestrial element in the form of bafath, Giza Intelligences, Sirian refugees and other collaborators. Now the implications are enormous as what can’t an extraterrestrail with unfathomable technology do and forging Meier’s photos were just the tip of the iceberg. If even the terrestrial MIB can do unbelievable things what can’t ET MIBs not do ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/496 "2013-09-27T05:33:39Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > The agency you are referring to encompasses far more than what you simply assume > > The MIB also had an extraterrestrial element in the form of bafath, Giza Intelligences, Sirian refugees and other collaborators. > > Now the implications are enormous as what can’t an extraterrestrail with unfathomable technology do and forging Meier’s photos were just the tip of the iceberg. > > **If even the terrestrial MIB can do unbelievable things what can’t ET MIBs not do** Kill an old man. 21 times. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/497 "2013-09-27T06:26:09Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Kill an old man. 21 times. That seems like…overkill. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/498 "2013-09-27T06:28:25Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > That seems like…overkill. If at first you don’t succeed… ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/499 "2013-09-27T10:10:22Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I know you don’t believe a word you’ve just said otherwise if you admit what you written above to be true then you are essentially calling yourself the dumbest idiot who has ever lived This is not The BBQ Pit. Do not attack other posters with insults in this forum. > [@newinitiation](#): > > Shirely temple geezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > > Go suck on her nipples then why don’t ya And this has no purpose in this thread. Knock it off. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/500 "2013-09-27T10:22:37Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Absolutely, positively, 100% without question, those are the same women. Definitely. What if they’re identical twins? AHA! I have refuted you! Therefore: aliens. > [@Gedd](#): > > [This thread is what I needed after reading the Holocaust one.] Can we combine the two? I want to read about how aliens planted false evidence of mass graves at Treblinka and how the Jews built models of the camps out of trash can lids. > [@newinitiation](#): > > Billy Meier who in my opinion is the most intelligent, wise, courageous, dignified, genuine, extraordinary and incredible human being who has ever lived on the face of this planet. I think you’re confusing him with [Raymond Shaw](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=16702781). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=26)