# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/521 "2013-09-28T01:24:39Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Doc cathod, I failed to mention I’ve seen UFO,s in 2010\_ both day and night. I got some good photos during the day but not night. At first I thought the daytime objects were balloons, but later were deemed UFO 's by others.I’m sure the night time event was not a helicopter, or balloon. So post the pictures. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/522 "2013-09-28T03:29:25Z")
> [@Gedd](#): > > Personally I don’t know how you expect anyone on-line to believe you if you don’t have a YouTube video to back you up. > Maybe he had one but the MiB took it down. Or altered it to[make him look like someone else](http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc038c770a/andy-kaufman-performs-mighty-mouse-from-andykaufmanfan). > [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Technically, this would be a textbook definition of a UFO. An object that appears to be flying that is not readily identifiable. It’s more of an Unidentified Falling Object in that video. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/523 "2013-09-28T04:17:33Z")
Again, you show that you do not understand how science works. The truth or falsity of any given fact is entirely independent of the personal virtues or failings of the person reporting the observations. A claim is verified by testing it, by attempting to reproduce the results, and not by examining the personality of the proponent. Geezzzz you attribute to my own person my ignorance for how science works but here you are giving what is more or less a great summary that I can readily agree with yet you fail to see that it also applies to people who are against the Billy Meier case. The evidence has been tested and people have failed to reproduce it or to duplicate it exactly how Billy has presented his materials This is different than a court of law, in that phenomena do not lie while people do constantly, and it is the court’s duty to determine which of the witnesses is least likely to be lying in this instance. You, of course, are not interested in science but are trying to preach your Gospel from Space, and your analogies all relate to the legal magisterium. I am likely to not participate on this subject any longer, as street corner evangelists are boring. Oh giving up already when things were starting to get interesting, oh well you aren’t the first. If the court’s duty or in this case, lets include the jury here, fail to do their due diligence by ignoring the scientific element of the Meier’s proof material then no amount of science will help in determining who is telling the truth or who is lying because their minds are already made up. You go on about science but to the detriment of one important process namely that you need people behind the science to deal with it otherwise absence of a human being there exists no conclusions towards the truth because nobody is there to witness it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/524 "2013-09-28T04:23:13Z")
You still haven’t explained why these aliens chose one man for contact then abandoned him rather than revealing themselves to the world in a way that cannot be mistaken. Also explain your threat about those who don’t believe when they do return. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/525 "2013-09-28T04:26:56Z")
This is not The BBQ Pit. Do not attack other posters with insults in this forum. And this has no purpose in this thread. Knock it off. Now how the heck does anybody read insults in these words is beyond me Insinuation it may be but not a full blown insult and far less an attack Care to explain ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/526 "2013-09-28T04:30:58Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Kill an old man. 21 times. Only with the Plejaren’s help did it foil these numerous attempts Think about it 21 attempts and btw not all by the ETs and yet these malicious ETs failed so this fact alone must say something about Billy ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/527 "2013-09-28T04:36:26Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Only with the Plejaren’s help did it foil these numerous attempts > > **Think about it 21 attempts and btw not all by the ETs and yet these malicious ETs failed so this fact alone must say something about Billy** That he’s a liar. Why did you stop using the quote function? Makes it harder to follow what and who you’re responding to. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/528 "2013-09-28T04:36:57Z")
> [@AndrewL](#): > > Actually, I think it’s rather clever on his part. > > You know how Nigerian bank fraud emails are always badly written, full of typos and bad grammar? That’s on purpose. It weeds out anyone who has any common sense or critical thinking whatsoever, so the fraudsters don’t waste their time with anyone who won’t fall for the scam. Only the most gullible respond to the initial email. > > Likewise, Billy Meier’s amateurish, crudely forged photos ensure that the only people who believe in him are those who will continue to believe in him no matter how flimsy the excuses he gives when people point out the clear evidence of fakery. He doesn’t have many followers, but those he has are fanatically loyal and incapable of ever thinking critically about the quality of the evidence he’s provided. He’s selecting up-front for those who need to believe no matter what the evidence, as we’ve seen in this thread. Nah I don’t think so and it is the other way around People who oppose the Billy Meier case want to desperately cling onto their worn out beliefs that such a thing cannot exist or be possible because their minds are stuck steadfast on certain belief system geared on denial and this tendency becomes habitual. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/529 "2013-09-28T04:39:38Z")
> [@Gedd](#): > > I will admit IANAL, but I don’t think eyewitness testimony, prophecies, and notes fall under the category of “physical evidence.” Actually even the video and sound recordings I think would be documentary evidence. > > I’ll take a second shot. Does he have anything we can give to a lab to run a test on to see if it is alien in nature, or if it has travelled beyond our solar system or if it is made of unknown materials, or . . ? Geezzzzzzz I mean how many fucking times do I have to repeat myself He has already provided the alien metal sample and they were tested by Marcel Vogel > **[Documentation%20from%20IBM%20on.pdf](https://theyfly.com/PDF/Documentation%20from%20IBM%20on.pdf)** > > 60.08 KB ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/530 "2013-09-28T04:40:28Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Geezzzzzzz > > I mean how many fucking times do I have to repeat myself > > He has already provided the alien metal sample and they were tested by Marcel Vogel > > [http://theyfly.com/PDF/Documentation%20from%20IBM%20on.pdf](http://theyfly.com/PDF/Documentation%20from%20IBM%20on.pdf) And then the metal vanished so no one can confirm. How _convenient._ I could write a paper that I tested something and give results and make a website for it. Proves nothing. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/531 "2013-09-28T04:41:05Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > It almost looks like he’s purposely trying to make it as obvious as he can that it’s hoax without actually admitting it. Maybe it’s an Andy Kaufman type performance piece. Think semi-plausible deniability factor. Think semi-plausible deniability factor. Think semi-plausible deniability factor. Think semi-plausible deniability factor. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/532 "2013-09-28T04:42:55Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > Maybe he could ask them to prove one the math problems that have been around forever like odd perfect numbers or the congruent number problem. That’d be pretty impressive. I’d be fairly swayed at that point. Why don’t you ask Billy yourself when it opens within the next couple of days? > **[Discussionboard of FIGU: Your Questions to Billy Meier--Answered](http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1871.html?1375033778)** > > Official Discussion Board of FIGU Switzerland ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/533 "2013-09-28T04:43:00Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Think semi-plausible deniability factor. > > Think semi-plausible deniability factor. > > Think semi-plausible deniability factor. > > Think semi-plausible deniability factor. Ah, The Think System. What’s next, the Minuet In G? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/534 "2013-09-28T04:44:20Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I’d be impressed if they could just avoid getting stuck in a tree when landing. here we go, one more time For reference and comparisons sake ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/535 "2013-09-28T04:58:18Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I know you don’t believe a word you’ve just said otherwise if you admit what you written above to be true then you are essentially calling yourself the dumbest idiot who has ever lived > [@tomndebb](#): > > This is not The BBQ Pit. > > Do not attack other posters with insults in this forum. > > . . . > > [/Moderating] > [@newinitiation](#): > > Now how the heck does anybody read insults in these words is beyond me > > Insinuation it may be but not a full blown insult and far less an attack Claiming that you cannot see the insults is not a good start. If you insist on hurling insults, you should be man enough to admit your behavior. First. You are calling another poster a liar, [something that is explicitly prohibited in this forum](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=448632). Based on the claim that the other poster is lying, you are claiming that the poster is calling himself stupid. Based on your posts, to date, I suspect that you will want to challenge that observation. That would be a bad idea. (And if you need to try to weasel out of your behavior, take it up in the ATMB forum, not in this thread.) Knock it off. [/Moderating] (And, for goodness sake, learn how to quote using the board software rather than using cutesy color changes that fail to identify the poster quoted and fail to link to the post quoted.) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/536 "2013-09-28T05:05:35Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I mean how many fucking times do I have to repeat myself You should never have to repeat yourself. You should provide useful and meaningful information on the first try rather than posting silliness. For example: > [@newinitiation](#): > > He has already provided the alien metal sample and they were tested by Marcel Vogel > > [http://theyfly.com/PDF/Documentation%20from%20IBM%20on.pdf](http://theyfly.com/PDF/Documentation%20from%20IBM%20on.pdf) However bright Vogel may have been, he was no metallurgist and his examination is without basis in fact. The same “sample” examined by genuine metallurgists showed traces of aluminum where Vogel thought he found thulium. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/537 "2013-09-28T05:17:18Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > You still haven’t explained why these aliens chose one man for contact then abandoned him rather than revealing themselves to the world in a way that cannot be mistaken. > Also explain your threat about those who don’t believe when they do return. Excerpt of a talk between Billy Meier and Semjase (24th contact of Saturday, June 7, 1975 Semjase: "… For the last time I trouble myself to explain that any contacts with other persons except you are totally impossible. The reasons are as follows: ``` We get in contact with an individual from Earth only on condition that the person has executed studies in all spheres for decades. We can contact individuals from Earth only if the necessary spiritual prerequisites are present. We can get in contact with an individual from Earth only if that person has progressed so far in his development that he is able to work out and recognize the basic truth in the truth without assistance, and without considering any statements by other people or any writings. If we get in contact with an individual from Earth, and if those prerequisites are not fulfilled, such a contact is only a preliminary undertaking for a special purpose. After the achievement of the objective, the person's memory of us etc., is eliminated, as e.g. happened with the person whom we let find the Talmud (Jmmanuel). Any duties that require that the individual goes public may not be imposed on such persons, since the memory within them is constantly eliminated; they are neither cognizant of the connections nor the actual facts. However, such persons must be highly developed in certain fields of knowledge, as e.g. was the case with the finder of the Talmud who was an expert in languages, but whom we burdened too much, unfortunately. If we get in contact with individuals from Earth we do this according to certain higher orders and according to the exact number of determined persons. One of the reasons for this lies in the fact that too many people standing in the first position would upset everything. I remember a saying that you use very frequently and that is very adequate in this respect: "Too many cooks spoil the stew." This is a fact that is also true within the laws and directives of Creation. Creation alone is the determining factor. We are not allowed to make ourselves visible to more individuals from Earth than lies within our responsibility. This precaution responds special concerns of private, military and governmental desires aimed at taking possession of our ships and all the other things. To be in contact with several persons would be dangerous for ourselves. That's why we can only cultivate contacts with Earth humans who are known to us as absolutely trustworthy and reliable in every respect. This is of far-reaching importance for our special mission with you and your group. We must be certain in every respect that - if the need arises - the contact person prevents bad consequences with all conceivable means. To show ourselves to certain selected earth humans only and taking up communication with them, secretly and at remote locations, has yet another reason: Countless people are craving for sensation and selfishness only. That's the reason why they want to get in contact with us. In addition there are those countless ones who - upon seeing us - would panic; something that could produce very dangerous effects. ``` These are but seven reasons why we cannot agree to the desire of H.J. Many more reasons could be presented, but the ones given should be enough. …" (A list with other reasons, like e.g. the different vibrations between Pleiadians/Plejarans and Earth humans, among other things, may be read in Guido Moosbruggers book “… und sie fliegen doch!” (Verlag Michael Hesemann; German only), on pages 148 ff. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/538 "2013-09-28T05:23:04Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > And then the metal vanished so no one can confirm. How _convenient._ > > I could write a paper that I tested something and give results and make a website for it. > Proves nothing. If it gets stolen by idiots who neither had the decency nor the honour to return the metal samples to Billy who is the rightful owner, we wouldn’t be having such a discussion in the first place ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/539 "2013-09-28T05:24:26Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Excerpt of a talk between Billy Meier and Semjase (24th contact of Saturday, June 7, 1975 > > Semjase: "… For the last time I trouble myself to explain that any contacts with other persons except you are totally impossible. The reasons are as follows: > > ``` > We get in contact with an individual from Earth only on condition that the **person has executed studies in all spheres for decades.** > We can contact individuals from Earth only if the necessary spiritual prerequisites are present. > We can get in contact with an individual from Earth only if that person has progressed so far in his development that he is able to work out and recognize the basic truth in the truth without assistance, and without considering any statements by other people or any writings. > > ``` Billy said he was five at first contact. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/540 "2013-09-28T05:30:14Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You should never have to repeat yourself. You should provide useful and meaningful information on the first try rather than posting silliness. > > For example: > > However bright Vogel may have been, he was no metallurgist and his examination is without basis in fact. The same “sample” examined by genuine metallurgists showed traces of aluminum where Vogel thought he found thulium. Posting sillinesssssssssssssss!? I’ve provided ample links to materials people could read with their own two eyeballs to decide for themselves but NAHHHHHHHHHH they go on a groundless ad hominem attack on Billy Meier and put words in his mouth without so much as even having taken a cursory glance at the material but you as a moderator have no problems joining in the insult where most would expect people in your position to at least be impartial and neutral. Sure you are entitled to your opinion as a moderator or not but that isn’t the issue, the problem is that so much unsubstantiated lies about Billy Meier is being bandied about without so much as anyone except for mystic7 having done their honest research in the case not to jump on the proverbial bandwagon of deceit contributing their two cents worth [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=28)