# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/661 "2013-09-30T18:11:06Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Why did they invite him on a trip and let him take pictures of their fine lady aliens? Seems to be a violation of the Prime Directive. Nope, Billy is an earth human being and it is by way of proxy (Billy) that they are easing us into the reality of their existence ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/662 "2013-09-30T18:13:49Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Nope, Billy is an earth human being and it is by way of proxy (Billy) that they are easing us into the reality of their existence So the laws only apply when convenient. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/663 "2013-09-30T18:15:12Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Nope, Billy is an earth human being and it is by way of proxy (Billy) that they are easing us into the reality of their existence By falsifying the evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/664 "2013-09-30T18:20:48Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Nope, Billy is an earth human being and it is by way of proxy (Billy) that they are easing us into the reality of their existence That makes sense. Ease us into the reality of their existence by using a proxy who is incompetent, and therefore, not believable by the masses. After 30+ years, there is a miniscule contingent of people who even know who Billy Meier is, and most of them think he’s a fraud. Easing our way into Earth Consciousness since 1973 (It’s taking longer than we thought) The Plejarens ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/665 "2013-09-30T18:21:43Z")
You understand, of course, that in the above you are assuming that the hostile forces, meeting aliens, dodging bullets, and such are actually happening. Its not an assumption but fact Even wendelle Stevens had the occasion of witnessing for himself an assassination attempt in person when a bullet just missed Billy’s head by a whisker Further, to me, “pulling off” a hoax means convincing people that it’s not a hoax. Meier hasn’t done this, beyond a devoted fringe. [Charles Dawson](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man) pulled off a hoax, he fooled his peers for 40 years. Meier hasn’t. Well he hasn’t done it because it wasn’t a hoax to begin with and no need for him to convince anyone of anything. The ex-wife doesn’t count? Well the skeptics conveniently quote her lies when it suit them Gee the double standard things kinds gets boring after awhile don’t you think Take away the fantastical parts, and it’s just writing fictional books and producing low-quality fake images, which when debunked, are explained away using more fantasy. It’s absolutely possible. For the sake of the argument that it was a hoax and that all his writings and books were the work of fiction, I mean seriously if you ever read any of his materials, you have to ask yourself how a one armed swiss farmer with a 6th grade education could come up with such a story line dealing with diverse subjects beyond his education especially considering that there were no wide spread personal computers, the internet, TV shows dealing with these broad subjects he could rip off nor having access to scientific information which was mostly published in the US. Did you think about that!? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/666 "2013-09-30T18:23:16Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > By falsifying the evidence? Falsifying evidence is a very serious accusation You still haven’t substantiated this accusation with any shred of proof ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/667 "2013-09-30T18:23:38Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Why did they invite him on a trip and let him take pictures of their fine lady aliens? Seems to be a violation of the Prime Directive. > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > So the laws only apply when convenient. Got it. Billy has not been visited by the Plejarens, they’re actually another race in disguise-the Kirkpicardians. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/668 "2013-09-30T18:24:43Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > So the laws only apply when convenient. Got it. No it seems that way to you because you haven’t donw an honest investigation of the case to know anything about it beyond second hand information you are regurgitating from skeptic websites like IIG ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/669 "2013-09-30T18:28:13Z")
I found a [picture of the man](http://www.google.com/imgres?client=firefox-a&hs=l2O&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1506&bih=798&tbm=isch&tbnid=9cEZcWKKYETvfM:&imgrefurl=http://totus-blog.blogspot.com/2011/10/drinking-with-david-janssen-fugitive.html&docid=kLKgIlFXLjBO9M&imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MtRyduJsbtc/Tqw55CeZatI/AAAAAAAAMis/EeHg_oq25qM/s1600/david%252Bjanssen.jpg&w=720&h=540&ei=EMJJUsuiO4ay2gX264HACg&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:0,s:0,i:90&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=177&tbnw=228&start=0&ndsp=25&tx=71&ty=99) who’s been pursuing Meier for all these years. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/670 "2013-09-30T18:28:57Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > For the sake of the argument that it was a hoax and that all his writings and books were the work of fiction, I mean seriously if you ever read any of his materials, you have to ask yourself how a one armed swiss farmer with a 6th grade education could come up with such a story line dealing with diverse subjects beyond his education especially considering that there were no wide spread personal computers, the internet, TV shows dealing with these broad subjects he could rip off nor having access to scientific information which was mostly published in the US. > > Did you think about that!? Personally I think his having one arm does not affect his ability to invent or not invent things. I don’t know why you insist on mentioning it. As for the actual material - what of it? What I have encountered is corny and cheesy. Nowhere near the subtlety of sci-fi writers that predated Billy or were contemporary to him. It looks like what someone who watched American TV reruns and old issues of Amazing Tales might come up with if they dropped much of the originality and replaced it with hokey messiah-style crap. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/671 "2013-09-30T18:30:06Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Outside of writing documents, taking pictures, and normal household duties, all of this stuff he’s “up against” is nonexistent. It really isn’t difficult to take horribly out of focus pictures of a trash can lid, when you’re NOT dodging CIA bullets and entertaining visitors from another planet. Have you even looked at the WCUFO carefully The trash can lid has 4 rimmed lines whilst the WCUFO has 3 which precludes it being part of a trash can lid > **[The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - The Billy Meier 'Hoax' Exposed?...](https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Billy_Meier_%27Hoax%27_Exposed%3F_The_Wedding_Cake_UFO_Controversy)** ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/672 "2013-09-30T18:31:05Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > No it seems that way to you because you haven’t donw an honest investigation of the case to know anything about it beyond second hand information you are regurgitating from skeptic websites like IIG Dude, you just said in one post: > [@](#): > > You have failed to appreciate the existence of cosmic laws or rather Creational spiritual laws that the ET Plejaren must abide by in that they cannot directly intervene in the affairs of other races especially a primitive one such as ours who hasn’t yet achieved true interstellar travel and a certain degree of spirituality. followed by: > [@](#): > > Nope, Billy is an earth human being and it is by way of proxy (Billy) that they are easing us into the reality of their existence Seems pretty direct to me. I didn’t need to get this from a skeptic website. This is you tripping yourself up. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/673 "2013-09-30T18:34:25Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Personally I think his having one arm does not affect his ability to invent or not invent things. I don’t know why you insist on mentioning it. > > As for the actual material - what of it? What I have encountered is corny and cheesy. Nowhere near the subtlety of sci-fi writers that predated Billy or were contemporary to him. It looks like what someone who watched American TV reruns and old issues of Amazing Tales might come up with if they dropped much of the originality and replaced it with hokey messiah-style crap. Having just an arm rather than a pair certainly does present obstacles to pulling off the supposed fake evidence inputed to Billy by the skeptics given that not only does he have to invent the thing if indeed he has but he must also manipulate the supposed strings whilst taking the photos and video recording all at the same time and this with only one arm and nobdy to help him along. Sounds a little too far fetched don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/674 "2013-09-30T18:36:15Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Dude, you just said in one post: > > followed by: > > Seems pretty direct to me. > > I didn’t need to get this from a skeptic website. This is you tripping yourself up. Then all reason and common sense has left you and all you are interested in doing is trolling rather than honestly seeking answers to real questions ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/675 "2013-09-30T18:37:17Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I found a [picture of the man](http://www.google.com/imgres?client=firefox-a&hs=l2O&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1506&bih=798&tbm=isch&tbnid=9cEZcWKKYETvfM:&imgrefurl=http://totus-blog.blogspot.com/2011/10/drinking-with-david-janssen-fugitive.html&docid=kLKgIlFXLjBO9M&imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MtRyduJsbtc/Tqw55CeZatI/AAAAAAAAMis/EeHg_oq25qM/s1600/david%252Bjanssen.jpg&w=720&h=540&ei=EMJJUsuiO4ay2gX264HACg&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:0,s:0,i:90&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=177&tbnw=228&start=0&ndsp=25&tx=71&ty=99) who’s been pursuing Meier for all these years. Childish at best ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/676 "2013-09-30T18:38:27Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Well when you are up against malicious ET forces + MIB+ CIA+ Mossad+ Religious fanatics+ Assassins+ Skeptics+ the swiss army+ other secret services+ teacherous group member from within Meier’s own rank+ ex wife+ MUFON+ charlatans+ fraudsters+ corrupt mass media+ Zionists+ governments+ UFO groups+ imposed conditions of the semi plausible deniability factor+ cosmic spiritual laws and what have you, you have the monumental task of overcoming such powerful forces on top of writing over 25,000 pages of articles, books, bulletins, special bulletins, contact notes, giving interviews, taking photos and video footage, meeting with the Plejaren in hostile environment, taking care of family, earning a living, working on the farm, building and repairing, tiling the soil, correcting translation work, having group meetings, runing FIGU, showing investigators around the actual site where he has taken the video footage and photos, sleeping, eating, showering, cleaning, planting trees, running a garden, lecturing, dodging bullets and assassination attempts, going through the hubris of ridicule, going through financial difficulty, raising children, and on and on, where does a person find all the time to do all these things. Not to mention the reverse vampires, the reptile men, and Elvis. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/677 "2013-09-30T18:39:17Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > That makes sense. Ease us into the reality of their existence by using a proxy who is incompetent, and therefore, not believable by the masses. After 30+ years, there is a miniscule contingent of people who even know who Billy Meier is, and most of them think he’s a fraud. > > Easing our way into Earth Consciousness since 1973 > (It’s taking longer than we thought) > > The Plejarens There are more people seeing the truth of his case than what you are leading yourself to believe ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/678 "2013-09-30T18:41:12Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Outside of writing documents, taking pictures, and normal household duties, all of this stuff he’s “up against” is nonexistent. It really isn’t difficult to take horribly out of focus pictures of a trash can lid, when you’re NOT dodging CIA bullets and entertaining visitors from another planet. Geez I’d love to see you duplicate any of Meier’s photos with just one arm ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/679 "2013-09-30T18:41:50Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Have you even looked at the WCUFO carefully > > The trash can lid has 4 rimmed lines whilst the WCUFO has 3 which precludes it being part of a trash can lid > > [The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - The Billy Meier 'Hoax' Exposed? The Wedding Cake UFO Controversy](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Billy_Meier_%27Hoax%27_Exposed%3F_The_Wedding_Cake_UFO_Controversy) No, it doesn’t. Here’s the [trash can](http://www.petandgarden.com.au/220-litre-blue-drum-used-ex-food-container.html) Starting from the top, both that lid and the WCUFO you linked to have 3 lines then a wide brim, oh AND the little plastic thing sticking out the side. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/680 "2013-09-30T18:44:18Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Geez I’d love to see you duplicate any of Meier’s photos with just one arm Is it really that hard to take pictures with one arm? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=35)