# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/61 "2013-09-18T02:58:20Z")
[http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy\_Meier/Humanoid\_lifeforms\_in\_the\_known\_universe](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Humanoid_lifeforms_in_the_known_universe) I urge, rather strongly, that everybody peruse the website **NewInitiation** so graciously provided. It’s full of chestnuts like the one above. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/62 "2013-09-18T03:02:39Z")
Questions that Billy Meier has himself answered. Questions have been italicized. Billy’s answers are bolded. > [@](#): > > Creation and the Absolute Absolutum > > \*Greetings Billy, > > About the overall scale of things. > > If humans have a tiny particle of the Creative energy within their superior colliculus then is the equivalent of that on a larger scale the 12 light year diameter core of a universe ?\* > > **Yes, you could make that analogy. Our universe is kept alive (energy-wise) from its core.** > [@](#): > > Purpose in Life > > _If you weren’t instructed by the Plejaren(if happened) would you have ever known about this? And so, in what way will it help us if any at all? Won’t your teachings and the way to achieve whatever we “need” to achieve cut off the possibility of nature to deliver unique individuals into being?_ > > \*\*The necessary information or knowledge respectively can only be received from the Arahat Athersata level. The Plejaren are not capable to gain that knowledge. \*\* > [@](#): > > About Billy Meier and Nokodemion > > - > > In contact 238,specifically about Nokodemion, Ptaah states that the very first life formed in our universe around 39,260,000,000,000 yrs ago.That would be the fauna and flora and then the conditions for the first human beings to come about. Now it also states that Nokodemion knows a total age 86,000,000,000 yrs,in which he had moved through the already necessary 58,000,000,000 yrs it took him to get to the A Athersata level,then of course through the deepest of responsibilities again took the human form to disemminate the Creational laws and reccomendations to his people. > > So my question is that already in another q and a section you had said that the Nokodemion spirit lineage was the first to reach the level of AA and creational law is that the first must bear the responsibility of the desimmenation of the creational laws and reccomendations throughout the universe,so it would seem that there were trillions of years that had passed before the nokodemion lineage was even in its first incarnation and that there many humans that had more than enough time to reach the level of AA before Nokodemion.Also it stated in the contact that your lineage had been reincarnating for 12 billion years now and i saw an answer that you had said 9.6 billion. So iguess i was just looking for some clarity on the history or the numbers?\* > > \*\*9.6 billion/milliard is correct. \*\* mystic7, I’m dumping you for Billy hisownself. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/63 "2013-09-18T03:05:27Z")
Three Billy Meier supporters in short order…yeah… Meier’s other stuff is mumbo-jumbo newage mishmash and even if his laughable ufo photos are ‘secondary’ well it speaks much to his character to have presented such transparent fraud as real. Its more than a bit like people make excuses for a preacher, saying his teachings are great despite the fact that he endangers people with faith healings. ETA: Oh, and [XKCD explains why the state of UFO’s are so sad these days.](http://xkcd.com/1235/) ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/64 "2013-09-18T03:29:47Z")
Don’t forget about the Billy Meier time travel dinosaur photo. [http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/dinosaur\_deconstruction.html](http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/dinosaur_deconstruction.html) ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/65 "2013-09-18T04:11:40Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > The Meier case is designed with plausible deniability which means it cannot be absolutely proven nor debunked. The fact it can’t be fully debunked, even in theory, is a _great_ reason to disregard it totally. _All_ real-world theories are falsifiable: Every one of them can fall, and we only keep the ones which haven’t fallen yet. ---
**Author:** ![Sigene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df788c/32.png) [@Sigene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigene)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/66 "2013-09-18T05:26:19Z")
> [@TheBodhi](#): > > I’ve been reading a little on Billy Meier. So what’s everyone’s take on the Billy Meier Story, and has anyone been able to disprove his photos completely? Also what’s the thoughts on whether we’ve been visited? If only 1% of sightings are legit, then that’s still an encounter from another world or dimension. Hi TheBodhi. I think I can trust you, unlike others you at least seem more open to trans-world things. I hope you won’t mock me or disregard me, but I think I’ve personally seen evidence of “people” not from this world. Could you reply and let me know if I could confide some of my experiences to you? Before I go into details, I guess I’d like to know if I can trust you. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/67 "2013-09-18T15:57:34Z")
If only 1% of the people who think the CIA is probing their brains with radio beams while they sleep are correct, then we have a serious problem in this country. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/68 "2013-09-18T18:17:35Z")
Hi Folks You’ll have to read the articles and hear what billy has said to know what he is stating rather than putting words in his mouth. What is the use of character assassination and put downs which gets nowhere It doesn’t solve any issue nor does it get you to the truth of things This requires suspended belief until all evidence from both sides of the argument is considered carefully in logical sequence and testing them to available evidence and proof before you come to you logical conclusions. That iigwest website is full of holes ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/69 "2013-09-18T18:25:12Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > That iigwest website is full of holes Point out the holes then. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/70 "2013-09-18T18:26:53Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > You’ll have to read the articles and hear what billy has said to know what he is stating rather than putting words in his mouth. I quoted him directly. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/71 "2013-09-18T18:55:38Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I quoted him directly. Can you provide the source of the article please ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/72 "2013-09-18T19:30:25Z")
Sure. I went to the website that you yourself provided, [theyfly.com](http://theyfly.com). I looked the page called [Questions to Billy - Answered (From the Discussionboard of FIGU)](http://theyfly.com/questions-billy-answered-discussionboard-figu). > [@](#): > > Included here are selected questions and brief answers on numerous topics taken from the FIGU Forum Archives in the “Questions to Billy” Section (Starting 2001 up to March 2007). I went to several of the topic pages given there and read the questions and Billy’s answers. I assume that’s as authentic as can possibly be. Are you disputing that? ---
**Author:** ![Sigene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df788c/32.png) [@Sigene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigene)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/73 "2013-09-18T20:32:48Z")
Hi Newinitiation. Maybe you too could be someone I can confide my experiences in. Like i stated above to TheBodhi I think I’ve personally seen evidence of “people” not from this world. Could you reply and let me know if I could confide some of my experiences to you? Before I go into details, I guess I’d like to know if I can trust you. Please let me know and I can tell you some of the things I’ve seen. Hopefully, you are sufficiently open enough that you will listen to these experiences and give me your thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/74 "2013-09-19T01:33:19Z")
I’ve been reading the Talmud Jmmanuel. It’s an ancient scroll discovered by Billy Meier c1963 near Jerusalem. I think it tells the true story of the early christian church. It cleared up for me a lot of confusion that had been imparted by my religious upbringing. The TJ indicates Jesus’ real name was Jmmanuel and his biological father was an extraterrestrial human of high regard i.e. Gabriel. Most of Jmmanuel’s disciples falsified his teachings since they were not evolved enough to grasp their true meaning. But today increasing numbers of people can understand the truth. I recommend the TJ. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/75 "2013-09-19T01:41:07Z")
Hmm. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. ---
**Author:** ![Consensus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@Consensus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Consensus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/76 "2013-09-19T02:26:20Z")
“I want to believe.” Is something that is hanging on my wall if you know what I mean. Life in general is resilient and diverse and the universe is a big place offering lots of real estate. Space is and will be the final frontier, this makes me both curious and fearful. However, what ever is out there better stay out there for now, if they know what’s good for us. I honestly don’t think ET has anything to offer that we cannot, in time, figure out for ourselves. The only question is; is there enough time left for us to reach for the stars? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/77 "2013-09-19T05:49:59Z")
> [@Consensus](#): > > “I want to believe.” This whole thread is full of comments by people who want to believe so badly that they are willing to ignore logic, evidence, the scientific method, and the large accumulated body of proven facts. ---
**Author:** ![Consensus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@Consensus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Consensus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/78 "2013-09-19T09:33:32Z")
[quote=“Gary “Wombat” Robson, post:77, topic:669000”] This whole thread is full of comments by people who want to believe so badly that they are willing to ignore logic, evidence, the scientific method, and the large accumulated body of proven facts. [/QUOTE] I know, and I admit I have nothing logic, evident or scientific to add to what I have stated about the possible existence of ET. In that sense it is very akin to a religion, to have the feeling we could be part of something bigger. Something much, much bigger. But the reality is, is that we are currently not even part of something smaller. So, regarding mr. Meier I see 3 options. Either he is lying on purpose, he is delusional or ET made a big mistake telling a swiss guy he is the reincarnation of \ not realizing that this is not helping us or them. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/79 "2013-09-19T10:31:07Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Sure. I went to the website that you yourself provided, [theyfly.com](http://theyfly.com). > > I looked the page called [Questions to Billy - Answered (From the Discussionboard of FIGU)](http://theyfly.com/questions-billy-answered-discussionboard-figu). > > I went to several of the topic pages given there and read the questions and Billy’s answers. > > I assume that’s as authentic as can possibly be. Are you disputing that? Hi exapno The answers by Billy to question posed to him can only be adequately understood when people have sufficiently studied his materials. The spiritual teaching section is a good start > **[The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - Creation-energy Teaching](https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Spirit_Teaching)** ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/80 "2013-09-19T10:38:28Z")
> [@Sigene](#): > > Hi Newinitiation. Maybe you too could be someone I can confide my experiences in. Like i stated above to TheBodhi I think I’ve personally seen evidence of “people” not from this world. Could you reply and let me know if I could confide some of my experiences to you? Before I go into details, I guess I’d like to know if I can trust you. > Please let me know and I can tell you some of the things I’ve seen. Hopefully, you are sufficiently open enough that you will listen to these experiences and give me your thoughts. Hi Sigene Sigene why would you want to confide this to a total stranger who you’ve never met nor held any conversations with? I don’t know you at all nor do you know me at all for you to embark on such an action. Not to mention the fact that I am not an expert on ETs But if I do attempt to read between the line I guess there is a veiled condescending tone to your post as if only loons believe in ETs or something or that people believing in ETs should get their heads checked or something If this is so then presidents Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Roosevelt, Clinton, and may others should be all lumped under the loony category. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=5)