# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/781 "2013-10-02T08:21:39Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > First it’s the Plejaren, then it’s Billy. Obviously you have no idea who it is. > How do you know anything about what was said that day? > If that’s Billy, who’s running the camera? Read my lips, oh sorry, my words I said Quetzal is behind the camera Billy is in front of the camera on the right side of the viewer ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/782 "2013-10-02T08:23:43Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Since the only two reasonable options are that Billy is either a con man, or he’s batshit crazy, I don’t think I would gain much by asking him directly. > > As much as I enjoy seeing the crazy shit believed by the seemingly otherwise functional people on the fringe, I don’t enjoy engaging with the mentally ill. This thread has started looking to me more like the latter. > > Taunting the schizophrenic guy who lives down at the bus station is something that harms him. This thread is looking a lot like that. I think I’ll back out now. You forgot the third option Billy Meier is telling the unequivocal truth and his contact case with the ET Plejaren is genuine and truthful yet the skeptics have failed to see it because of their personal bias Hows that sound ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/783 "2013-10-02T08:33:53Z")
> [@johhny](#): > > **Questions and observations for believers and NON-believers alike.** > > 1. Name calling and debunking by belittling people on the opposite side of the opinion, is not very holistic and overly aggressive. That is unnecessary behavior, if one is a true master then one would never put himself above others. > > 2. Yet if one wants to seek the truth, or what is close to “fact”, then critical questions are necessary and it’s through questioning that new knowledge and wisdom are learned. But here are some critical questions that are unanswered by the Billy Meier case, or perhaps they are - maybe I have missed something. > [INDENT] > [INDENT][INDENT]\*\*a) \*\*Having looked at the supportive evidence of the WCUFO photos, there are some discrepancies. The paper with the “Blender” simulations and different distance calculating formulas - is incomplete and has assumptions on some variables (factors that affect the calculations). Which makes it an incomplete investigation. Blender’s engine does not by default calculate exact modeling of our world, because the engines algorithms for light diffusion and specular reflection are not real world but are simulated (to get to real world, some fine tuning has to be done) None of this is mentioned in the paper. Furthermore there are factors, like the unknown true size of the reflected image in the metallic spheres - in the real picture (since it’s blurry and not HD, maybe there was Vaseline on the lens?). A minor change in that factor can variate the final “diameter” of the UFO by a very large margin, the range can be from 0.5metres to 20metres! Hence this paper is BY NO MEANS PROOF yet! But a nice start in the direction of an investigation, although no conclusive results in there! > > \*\*b) \*\*The spiritual teachings spread by Billy Meier are not exclusively new and attributed to his personal experience, but in fact have been around for quiet some time, in many different kinds of cultures and traditions. From Buddhism to Christianity, the core values are; love, compassion towards all living beings, forgiveness, understanding, respect for free will and peace within. From them stem the characteristics of; non-judgement, support, caring, kindness and etc. A person who reached such a level of inner harmony (became en-lightened) is no longer conflicted within himself and with others, and will live a peaceful life. A society who reached such a level, and have advanced technology, can only be presumed also have a higher level of life and mastery of skills (sciences, arts, etc). So to claim that one man is the only prophet who must be listened to exclusively, is to ignore the many wise and enlightened people before/after him. Also it’s idolization, which unfortunately happens a lot in our society to this day. Instead of living the teaching, the wisdom that is being passed, many of us idolize and instead live like “followers”. > > **c)** Then to ask some simple random questions. > [ul] > [li]Why does the WCUFO look like its designed by a 70’s funky engineering team? By Billy’s words and other UFOlogists, advanced beings/races have reached interstellar travel - a MILLENNIUM ago (or more), so why would a race’s level of ship model design change on a 10 year basis, or even every 100 years? Wouldn’t it be so advanced and harmonized to remain the same design over at-least 100 years? [/li] > [li]Why do some videos of Billy’s (some that I have seen with Japanese interviewers) have the discs flying in repetitive circular motions as if on a pendulum or even on a hanging on a string? And he even states on the video, something on the lines of “usually they fly in direct motions in straight paths”. Well where is that video? Where are the videos where they fly in direct paths but also maybe in zig zags, or different formations? Nowadays there are videos out there (even Youtube) of cool flying vectors by UFO’s…Why didn’t we see that in the 1970’s?[/li] > [li]And when questioned about the ship’s lower disc structure looking quiet similar to the lid of the branded round plastic container. There is a whole new story of telepathic communications with the Nazi’s and blueprints getting passed on to modern engineers? Was this answer really given by Billy? If yes, then our space friends who have time travel made a gross misjudgement almost gave superior technology to the insane Nazi regime…Isn’t that contrary to the spiritual teachings?[/li][/ul] > > [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT] > Anyways none of the points/observations above are to cause dispute, they are questions and points. Nor does it try to dispute the big question… Are we alone in the Universe? > > Well according to latest findings by NASA’s satellites, there are quiet many Earth-like planets (air,water,atmosphere) that are presumed to have been discovered (Google it). And the sheer magnitude of the size of the Universe, makes it statistically very highly likely we aren’t. (again try and turn off the exclusivity ego within) Plus the fact that there are now quiet many videos online of amazing UFO footage, numerous multi-witnessed accounts of such events around the world, and some declassified government information which points to the fact to the existence of Unidentified Flying Objects. Wow for once and thank goodness for that, that someone so reasonable have come forward amongst this lost group to ask real legitimate question that is totally true to the spirit of free thinking and genuine inquiry although Paranoid Randroid and mystic7 I would include on par. Johhny they are very good questions given in honesty and the genuine spirit that it is given deserving of equally good answers given with respect. I’ll need to get back to you as they deserve much contemplation and time in order to do it justice. Thanks for the spirit in which you asked these questions which is still rare in this supposed age of enlightenment ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/784 "2013-10-02T08:40:56Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I didn’t say that your guy used Photoshop. You have chosen to rebut a point no one made. > > The guy’s phtographs are crappy. They’re badly focused, badly crafted, and obviously faked. You can see the molding lines in the plastic of the garbage pail lid he used as the base for his toy spaceship. > > I was doing better stuff in the 60’s with a Revell Geminii capsule model and spray-painted star-field background. This guy isn’t even competent. Look unless you go through the words from the horses mouth and see from the others point of view you will never understand the circumstances leading up to why these photos turned out so crappy. You’ve got to remember that with such an extraordinary case as Billy’s you will never get the kind of response that most expect because they impose and project their own limitations based on the 21st century norms and acculturation and the so called ‘boxed thinking’ approach will not avail a satisfactory answer as what people expect is all that they are after and anything that goes beyond it, they chuck the proverbial fit of incredulity. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/785 "2013-10-02T08:42:22Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I think most atheists don’t dismiss the gospels as fraudulent, simply as lacking credible evidential provenance. They are usually held to be stories written down after the events described, from other people’s memories of what happened, and thus subject to the usual problems of transcribed oral history. Not unless you’ve dealt with the Meier material and Dr Deardorff’s ground breaking work [http://www.tjresearch.info/contents.htm](http://www.tjresearch.info/contents.htm) ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/786 "2013-10-02T08:43:25Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I believe the Lyrians he was referring to are extra terrestrials. A quick googling seems to support this. Yes correct > **[The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - Ancient Lyrian](https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Ancient_Lyrian)** ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/787 "2013-10-02T09:08:04Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > “but brain that thinks.” > > Some brains think better than others. Your mileage may very. Bad brains may not be returned for store credit. > Symptoms of bad thinking may include, but not be limited to, belief in random conspiracy theories which depend upon fictional entities such as the Men In Black engaging in rumored behaviors to create desired outcomes, and an inability to accurately shave with Occam’s Razor. Facts in the rearview mirror may be less factly than they first appear. Please think responsibly. You are technically correct but even bad brains can be trained to be better thinkers as the human potential is enormous. I know MIB exists but you don’t I have contemplated whether its all hogwash without basis of truth and so I have dealt with the FOI declassified government documents on MIB which clearly state that it is true whilst you haven’t I have applied the Occam’s Razor to Billy Meier’s contact case to conclude that indeed it fits with the overall meaning of ‘one should proceed with simpler theories until greater explanation can replace the simplicity’ although holding to the priori that not all simple explanation ends up being true nor this maxim being an irrfutable principle. I have gone the whole nine yards having satisfactorily investigated the Billy Meier case before coming to my own independent conclusion free of suggestion, autosuggestion, coercion, manipulation, self interest, bias, prejudice and enticements whilst you on the other hand just looked at the photo to come to your haste conclusions Who, then, has taken a more reasonable approach to any reasonable minds out there given that any field of inquiry for the want of truth demands the corresponding appreciable effort needed to be divested to get to the bottom line and this being the truth beyond reasonable doubt. Your argument therefore is weak at best and absolutely illogical at worst. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/788 "2013-10-02T09:20:03Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Which still means that they did not arrive before 1524, or so, in order to use the letter J (oddly). And yet, they are trying to lay claim to myths that were over 2,000 years old on Earth by that time. (Not to mention even using the Roman alphabet for the names of an extraterrestrial species.) > > I don’t mind the silliness. I object to the basic ignorance they demonstrate in their tales. James Branch Cabell would never have been caught out on such obvious failures and he knew he was writing fiction. Tales!? Tales!? what fucking tales!? Have you even read the Talmud of Jmmanuel!? Or at the very least the Gospel of Matthew!? For crying out loud do the only decent thing or at least the very least by doing some god damn reading before you summarily dismiss the case as fraud or hoax. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/789 "2013-10-02T10:07:17Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Wow for once and thank goodness for that, that someone so reasonable have come forward amongst this lost group to ask real legitimate question that is totally true to the spirit of free thinking and genuine inquiry although Paranoid Randroid and mystic7 I would include on par. > > Johhny they are very good questions given in honesty and the genuine spirit that it is given deserving of equally good answers given with respect. > > I’ll need to get back to you as they deserve much contemplation and time in order to do it justice. > > Thanks for the spirit in which you asked these questions which is still rare in this supposed age of enlightenment “Johhny” has just joined this forum, and this is so far his only post. Until he provides more content, my first instinct is that he is intimately connected with you and the other two Meierites. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/790 "2013-10-02T10:11:46Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Geezzzzzz I mean seriously dude how fucking easy would it be for a scientists to just rely on your method of investigation to come up with their peer review thesis and findings and then to win the noble prize for their efforts. > > There wouldn’t be a scientist in the world who would complain about it to have carte blanche on ‘seeing with two eyeballs only’ approach to their scientific methodology. You think they don’t do this already? No scientist can declare a theory sound without doing serious investigation into it. However. scientists routinely declare theories unsound without investigating them. Because those theories are garbage. They are obvious nonsense, and putting serious time and effort into investigating them is a complete waste of time and effort. Those theories die in infancy, you don’t hear about them from scientists because they are irrelevant to scientific discovery. For example, no serious scientist is going to investigate a perpetual motion machine. No matter how many “inventors” claim that they’ve made one, no real scientist is going to spend any of their time actually investigating the claims. > [@](#): > > Know this, that our eyes can deceive us, seeing is not always believing, there is more than meets the eye and its the eye that sees but brain that thinks. Optical illusions exist, but don’t think that means your eyes are unreliable. Illusions have to be finely crafted in order to fool the eye, they are not accidental. I know what photos of real objects look like, I see them all the time. It is _possible_ to make a photo of a real object look like a model, but it won’t be done accidentally, and won’t be done over and over and over, like Meier’s photos. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/791 "2013-10-02T11:16:49Z")
Where Can I find a copy of the Talmud Jmannuel online? Some searching turns up many sites with commentary on the TJ. I can buy a dead tree copy of the TJ (used) on Amazon. What I can’t find is a copy of the TJ I can read online. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/792 "2013-10-02T12:38:50Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Tales!? Tales!? what fucking tales!? > > Have you even read the Talmud of Jmmanuel!? > > Or at the very least the Gospel of Matthew!? > > For crying out loud do the only decent thing or at least the very least by doing some god damn reading before you summarily dismiss the case as fraud or hoax. If someone came up with a document on old-looking paper that purported to be from the first century, but was written in modern English using Verdana font, I would dismiss it as a fraud without bothering to read it. The anachronistic nature of the document would indicate that it was a fraud even without reading the text. In the very same way, if someone wanders into a discussion and makes the absurd claim that a name that first appears in the 1970s uses the “correct spelling” for a “person” who is supposed to have been around over two millennia earlier and another “person” who was around more than 600 years before that and the “correct spelling” involves the use of a letter that is only 550 years old in the Roman alphabet when the original documents were written in Greek, I will dismiss that as an obvious invention created by some twit who did not even do enough research to avoid a blatant error in his claim. YMMV, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/793 "2013-10-02T13:00:21Z")
How does one pronounce “Jmmanuel”, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/794 "2013-10-02T13:02:49Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > How does one pronounce “Jmmanuel”, anyway? The first “m” is silent. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/795 "2013-10-02T13:49:46Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > “Johhny” has just joined this forum, and this is so far his only post. Until he provides more content, my first instinct is that he is intimately connected with you and the other two Meierites. So,\*\* newinitiation\*\*, this brings back the question that I asked earlier. Do you know **johnny** , or any of the other pro-meier ( **theBodhi, mystic7** ) people who have participated in this thread outside of the Straight Dope Message Board? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/796 "2013-10-02T13:51:55Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Think about it for a minute dude > It is vital that we humans are skeptical of a lot of things. > But this shouldn’t be at the detriment of reason, common sense and most important of all, the truth. It rarely, rarely is. When intelligent people are skeptical of some guru, wild scifi tale or other outlandishness they are usually correct to think that way. > [@](#): > > Being skeptical doesn’t mean you should throw out the baby with the bathwater. In most cases there is no baby, and the bathwater is rancid sewer drainings. > [@](#): > > It just means that you suspend your judgment either for or against until you have sufficiently dealt with all available evidence to a satisfactory conclusion either way. Yet after a certain point we would not be remiss in thinking that something is a fraud or hoax. Especially if the evidence we are given are hubcap UFOs, dinosaur pictures from books, a load of dreck philosophy, and 70’s TV dancers presented as aliens. > [@](#): > > Obviously there are dangers of personal bias, prejudice and any other human’s faulty characteristics which will come to play in any process of inquiry but that’s why we make sure the material can be corroborated from independent sources totally independent of personal interests and bias as much as this is feasible. And in this case the material fails. But you’ve missed the point. The point was that the 'I was skeptical at first, but…" routine is such a cliche that it has zero value to any argument. The person who declares might have been skeptical, but they are almost certainly missing some critical thinking skills that makes their initial impressions and subsequent conversion irrelevant to those who are more able to assess a potential hoax. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/797 "2013-10-02T14:11:30Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > But you’ve missed the point. The point was that the 'I was skeptical at first, but…" routine is such a cliche that it has zero value to any argument. The person who declares might have been skeptical, but they are almost certainly missing some critical thinking skills that makes their initial impressions and subsequent conversion irrelevant to those who are more able to assess a potential hoax. It’s like starting your argument with “I _used_ to use logic and reason…” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/798 "2013-10-02T14:22:23Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Think about it for a minute dude > It is vital that we humans are skeptical of a lot of things. > But this shouldn’t be at the detriment of reason, common sense and most important of all, the truth. > Being skeptical doesn’t mean you should throw out the baby with the bathwater. > It just means that you suspend your judgment either for or against until you have sufficiently dealt with all available evidence to a satisfactory conclusion either way. I’ve read some of your blog. I don’t believe you’ve ever been skeptical of _anything._ ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/799 "2013-10-02T14:22:44Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Know that you have already committed to it as soon as you’ve made your claim against the Meier case. So why the duplicity? Dude, I’m not going to make a UFO model and film it. I have a job, and a life, and a basement floor that needs carpet glue scraped off of it. That’s not duplicity, are you sure that word means what you think it does? > [@newinitiation](#): > > Look damn it, you are conveniently ignoring the vital context leading up to how these independent private investigators ended up investigating the Meier case to begin with when they never had a vested interest let alone the motivation to investigate it in the first place and all that in addition to footing their own bills which amounted to 22 trips from USA to Switzerland overall and tens of thousands of their own money out of their own pockets, I mean all this for what! Just like Project Alpha. Fooling one group of credulous folks isn’t nearly enough to convince a rational person of Meier’s claims. > [@](#): > > And you insinuate that they’ve had a financial stake in the whole matter, for fuck sake! At least one of them does. No UFO hokum, no UFO book sales for Elders. > [@](#): > > It was only after their first and their only first investigation of this kind did they then take this Ufology seriously and never before. > > So what part of the above statement don’t you understand! You can use this exact seem reasoning to prove that the Project Alpha subjects really had psychic powers, or that the aforementioned Cottingley Fairies were real. Clearly, fooling one group of investigators isn’t enough, now is it? > [@](#): > > Just because Wendelle Stevens had figured out the possibility that we are not alone in the universe through his other painstaking Ufological research does not negate his credibility nor of his findings about the truth of the Billy Meier case. Yeah, it does, actually. It doesn’t mean he’s wrong, of course, but it means his word isn’t enough. Nor is anyone’s, though; Barrack Obama and Stephen Hawking could hold a joint press conference to announce that Joe Biden had been visited by aliens for years, and until I see proof, I ain’t believing it. > [@](#): > > He has approached the case with utter most integrity and dignity for which he deserves our thanks and gratitude for his efforts. > > One day you will come to thank the likes of Wendelle Stevens, Tome Welsh, Lee Elders, Brit Elders, Jim Dilletoso, Gary Kinder, Dr James Deardorff, Michael Horn, Gaiaguys, Dr Dietmar Rothe, Jose Barreto, Eurasian Insitutue, Circle of humanity, the Core 49 and passive FIGU members and not to mention Billy, the Plejaren, ET Federation members many other supporters I have not mentioned here and make amends for the past slurs, profanities and malice you’ve leveled at case. > > The future will of course tell. Hey, every Messiah needs apostles, right? Also, I’ve leveled no slurs, profanities, or malice at the case. > [@](#): > > No but tell these people you’ve mentioned to do that Billy has achieved so far. Does Billy have a career 4.25 ERA, 10 years in the majors, and a no-hitter? I didn’t think so. > [@](#): > > That’s where we diverge and you are entitled to your opinion but seeing as you don’t know anything about the case beyond the cursory, its inevitable that you would come to such a conclusion. Meh. If the cursory is this unconvincing, I highly doubt devoting my life to studying it would change anything. > [@](#): > > I was and I’ll say it again > I’ve written this before on numerous occasions over the years in different forums that I was skeptical to begin with especially after seeing the close up photo of WCUFO hovering above Billy’s van and I was offended. In that case, if you believe the MiB-photo-switch story, then your version of skepticism is worthless. > [@](#): > > Here we go again that irrational monetary incentive thing. > Hey FIGU is a non profit OK! > Do you know what this complex arrangement entails. > Yes utter transparency of one’s books and financial figures Non-profit just means that revenue in excess of expenses must be reinvested, or kept as cash on hand. Salaries count as expenses. > [@](#): > > Well think about it > Doing our daily chores with two arms if hard enough imagine with one arm and to do all that Billy has done over the years not to mention many more Good for him to be such a go-getter, that he doesn’t let having one arm stop him from [taking people’s money.](http://billymeierufocase.com/images/whoismeier/figu-antragsformular-passiv-gruppe.pdf) > [@](#): > > The context it was given is what I am referring to and how they had come about not to mention all predictions given having come to pass which is all the more remarkable given that there is absence of erroneous predictive information strongly suggesting that it wasn’t a guess work nor back dating involved. I see a lot of dancin’, not so much citing best evidence. Hmmmm. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/800 "2013-10-02T14:28:57Z")
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