# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/881 "2013-10-04T16:29:24Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > - The coolatta was a rare disappointment. I don’t think they used enough syrup. I predict that the coolatta will nonetheless be more satisfying than any answers you receive to questions about the TJ. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/882 "2013-10-04T16:32:04Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Well, I’ve got a busy weekend planned and I promised the TimeCube guy I’d believe his nonsense first before I believed anyone else’s. > So…there’s going to be a large space-based telescope that seeks out planets? Don’t we already have a bunch of those? > > Is it just the Vatican, or the rest of Rome too? Because if Vesuvius blows and only takes out the Vatican, I’ll believe right then and there. > The possibility of that happening in the next thirty years or so was discussed in the news ages ago. While the odds are long they’re not impossible and both the causes and the effects are predictable (like Yellowstone blowing up, another known potential disaster). > > Hell, I’m probably at direct risk from the Canary tsunami. Still not buying your theory. Right. So a death toll somewhere between zero and “millions”. Uncanny! The proposed satellite telescope is going to be named “The Planet Seeker” and by 2025 it will trump what the hubble telescope was able to do. So how specific a prophecy can you get. This is one among so many prophecies that Billy has come up with which will come to pass. Now how impossible would it be and what are the chances of foretelling this kind of future unless they either had help from extreaterrestrial sources or that they had exceptional abilities. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/883 "2013-10-04T16:36:24Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > It is not an “argument” from me but rather a comment on the morality of Billy’s alien overlords. I am following what you are telling us about them, their motivations and the results of their actions. > > I must conclude that they are evil, and wish harm upon the majority of Mankind through their deliberately deceitful manipulations, and anyone trying to support their agenda must be stopped while there is still time. If they did we wouldn’t be here in the first place banging away at our keyboards ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/884 "2013-10-04T16:37:19Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > The proposed satellite telescope is going to be named “The Planet Seeker” and by 2025 it will trump what the hubble telescope was able to do. > > So how specific a prophecy can you get. > > This is one among so many prophecies that Billy has come up with which will come to pass. > > Now how impossible would it be and what are the chances of foretelling this kind of future unless they either had help from extreaterrestrial sources or that they had exceptional abilities. Got any predictions that have already happened(prediction must have been made public before the event predicted, of course), or any that will be happening anytime soon? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/885 "2013-10-04T16:40:27Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > This is a poor argument It wasn’t an argument, it was a question - why are you, here, now, in this thread, actively working against the plan of the superior aliens? It is a question that you completely failed to answer, unsurprisingly. Eh, whatever. I’m officially bored with this thread. There’s only so much gibberish I can handle. I’ve been glazing over most of the posts here for days now. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/886 "2013-10-04T16:42:47Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > The proposed satellite telescope is going to be named “The Planet Seeker” and by 2025 it will trump what the hubble telescope was able to do. > > So how specific a prophecy can you get. > > This is one among so many prophecies that Billy has come up with which will come to pass. > > Now how impossible would it be and what are the chances of foretelling this kind of future unless they either had help from extreaterrestrial sources or that they had exceptional abilities. In Contact Report [# 482](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_482), the aliens told Billy that making predictions was ineffective, and they were going to stop: > [@](#): > > Ptaah - We have found that all the predictions that have been made since 1975 up to the current time have in no way borne any fruit with the Earth human beings. This has been just as much the case with your predictions and prophetic warnings, which were given no heed, consequently many things from your warnings have, in the meantime, come true, and also continue to come true. Therefore, we have come to agree that predictions do not cause Earth humanity to become reasonable. Therefore, we no longer want to draw their attention, by means of predictions, to what the future brings them in terms of evil. For three decades we have made the effort to warn the Earth humans through you and your mission, as you have already done again and again from your side for almost 60 years, which has in no way led to success. So, now we no longer want to prepare clarifications for predictions and we want to end our activity regarding that, which has always taken a great deal of time. > > Billy - So, no more predictions. That is good and lessens my burdens, which have not seldom weighed heavily on me. So, do predictions like this telescope business pre-date this contact, or did the policy change back at some point? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/887 "2013-10-04T16:45:06Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > So, you consider the Meier case to be the truth, and thus don’t apply any skeptical inquiry to the _extremely_ suspicous details, like evidence that conveniently disappears, spaceships made with trash can lids, or laughable excuses given for falsified evidence. You’re a True Believer. Which is fine, whatever floats your boat…but any opinions you hold of yourself as some kind of hyper-skeptic are laughable when you refuse to apply skepticism. No! it is BECAUSE I have that makes the difference. Hell I’ll even go so much as being ready to rebuke anyone who lap up Billy’s information and believe everything that he says without doing their due dilligence as it is just as dangerous to blindly believing which is contrary to what the teachings is all about. The teachings emphasise people needing to take full responsibility for their own thoughts, feelings and actions and actually do the hard grind independent thinking, discerning, analysis, extrapolation, corroboration, reflection, critical comprehension and understanding so that they achieve cognition, recognition, awareness, sense, knowledge and understanding of the truth. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/888 "2013-10-04T16:47:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Mt. Vesuvius is going to destroy Vatican City? It’s about 150 miles away! What most people don’t realise is that there exist a magma chamber some 7 kilometers right under the Vatican city and through an earthquake this city will be destroyed. So you can include a swathe of large portion of Rome which will suffer much damage and not just the vatican city itself. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/889 "2013-10-04T16:48:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I know. That’s why I’m going to convert if it takes out the Vatican while leaving the rest of Rome intact. Read above ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/890 "2013-10-04T16:53:37Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Well, I am now disgusted and even more firmly convinced that these “aliens” are actually demons in disguise. > > They have acolytes who see the world-shattering revelation of a new book of scripture as little more than a money making scheme. Salvation is only for those who PAY for it? What kind of perversion of spirituality is that? > > I believe that is the very definition of the sin of simony. There is no such a thing as salvation No one is going to save people from themselves except themselves through taking responsbility for their own lives. All religious ideologies and dogmas should be eradicated from the face of this planet and sooner the better. You can only bury the truth for so long with this puke before the truth will finally win out eventually. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/891 "2013-10-04T16:53:59Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > If they did we wouldn’t be here in the first place banging away at our keyboards We have an entity or entities who admit to deliberately misleading their own direct contacts. You may call it “plausible deniability” but I call it lying. If they are ready, willing and eager to lie about how their space ships look or move (purposefully piloting them so they look just like a model on a string) then I cannot trust their word on anything. Liars will lie to your face, and construct even more elaborate lies when confronted. I will not be an enabler. Sorry, but any superior entity who wants my respect must have higher moral standards than that. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/892 "2013-10-04T16:56:50Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > No! it is BECAUSE I have that makes the difference. > > Hell I’ll even go so much as being ready to rebuke anyone who lap up Billy’s information and believe everything that he says without doing their due dilligence as it is just as dangerous to blindly believing which is contrary to what the teachings is all about. > > The teachings emphasise people needing to take full responsibility for their own thoughts, feelings and actions and actually do the hard grind independent thinking, discerning, analysis, extrapolation, corroboration, reflection, critical comprehension and understanding so that they achieve cognition, recognition, awareness, sense, knowledge and understanding of the truth. What due dilligence did you perform on the MiB-photo-switch story? Or the aliens-sent-telepathic-suggestions-of-a-starship-design-but-it-was-used-for-a-trash-can-lid-instead story? Also, you wrote, of the Talmud: > [@newinitiation](#): > > Look it was destroyed by the Mossad during an assassination attempt on Isa Rashid and his family OK? But in contact report #[007](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_007), it says: > [@](#): > > Semjase - He took it so far that by the middle of 1974, he had no choice but to flee from Jerusalem and to retreat into Lebanon, where he lived in a refugee camp under a false name - together with his family. But he also had to flee again from there and left the country. His fear, however, was to blame for the fact that he enclosed all the scripts in a wooden wall, where they were completely destroyed by a fire only a few hours later, when the Israeli military invaded. Therefore, it was his fault that everything was destroyed. That is, the document was burned by happenstance during an Israeli military operation in Lebanon, unrelated to the Mossad or assassination. Did you have the story wrong, or has it been changed since? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/893 "2013-10-04T16:57:26Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > What most people don’t realise is that there exist a magma chamber some 7 kilometers right under the Vatican city and through an earthquake this city will be destroyed. > > So you can include a swathe of large portion of Rome which will suffer much damage and not just the vatican city itself. What the hell does this supposed magma chamber have to do with a volcano 150 miles away? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/894 "2013-10-04T16:59:35Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > All religious ideologies and dogmas should be eradicated from the face of this planet and sooner the better. Says the dude trying to sell up a new Talmud. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/895 "2013-10-04T18:32:05Z")
Could someone post blurry pictures of the magma chamber? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/896 "2013-10-04T18:37:01Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Could someone post blurry pictures of the magma chamber? Rome Vatican City Rome * * * ``` **** **** **** ****** ******** ********** ********** ********** ********** ``` ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/897 "2013-10-04T18:56:51Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Rome Vatican City Rome > > * * * > > ``` > **** > **** > **** > ****** > ******** > ********** > ********** > ********** > ********** > > ``` That’s a bad replica. The original was identical but quite a bit different. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/898 "2013-10-04T18:58:57Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > That’s a bad replica. The original was identical but quite a bit different. You should have seen it before the BiB screwed with it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/899 "2013-10-04T19:08:56Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Fuck this lame argument about everything needed to be handed down on a silver platter. > > Don’t you get, nothing is free in this world and there is always a price to pay for everything. Really? So, what are the aliens going to charge for all this cool stuff they’re going to give us? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/900 "2013-10-04T19:13:09Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Really? > > So, what are the aliens going to charge for all this cool stuff they’re going to give us? We’ll be invited to their place for meals. Talmud Jmmanuel is probably Aramaic for “To Serve Man” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=46)