# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/901 "2013-10-04T20:05:05Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > We’ll be invited to their place for meals. > > Talmud Jmmanuel is probably Aramaic for “To Serve Man” Or: How To Cook For Forty Humans ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/902 "2013-10-04T20:33:55Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What the hell does this supposed magma chamber have to do with a volcano 150 miles away? Well, if you would just READ the [various links](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_136), you would discover that they already [del]covered their asses[/del] addressed that issue: > [@](#): > > 1. Just as before and just as ever, however, there will be know-it-alls and cult-religious believers who will say that the Vesuvius volcano is not in or near Rome but rather is in the vicinity of Naples. > 2. These know-it-alls, however, do not know the conditions of the interior of the Earth, much like even the responsible scientists. > 3. Thus, they do not know that the main activity of the volcano does not lie directly under it but lies directly and very deeply beneath the city of Rome, so in addition, those areas which will be shaken at the end of November will be caused partly by the magma eruption, water, and gas chambers and be caused partly by tectonic shifts. Of course, the rest of that article reads like a bad conglomeration of Jack Chick and the Moody Bible Institute, so I am not yet persuaded. The article also makes the following “observation”: > [@](#): > > “_As you may know the former versions of the contact notes (the old ones) were published based on the raw and uncorrected versions of the person who typed down the reports into a new format (at that time there were no computers used in FIGU), instead of using the corrected original (which contained hand-written corrections based on talks between Billy and Semjase). This unfortunate fact was realized several years ago (and, unfortunately, after the publication of “Prophetien und Voraussagen”). After realizing that there were major mistakes in the already published contact notes, Billy decided to publish the contact reports as books and with the “online” telepathic aid of the Plejarens who are in possession of the original “recordings” of the discussions._” - personal email correspondence 11th June 2006 So, we see that they are already well into the mode of “correcting” things that they got wrong the first time. (This is especially amusing in light of the claim made on their Talmud Jmmanuel vs Matthew comparison page that no hoaxer would ever go back and correct part of his hoax if it were discovered to be in error. I guess they never read Irving Wallace’s The Word.) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/903 "2013-10-04T20:56:01Z")
OoooH! Look what I found in the last link: > [@](#): > > 1. Especially now, it also confirms what has been said since ancient times, that the Israeli people originally never were an actual people, but that this mass of people, in ancient times, singly and alone consisted of a gigantic group of degenerate and partially even criminal elements, who during their existence on Earth at that time only incited discord, falseness and war. > 2. Having come forth from the ones who were expelled, because they would not obey any order and were criminal, they assembled together in a mob in ancient times and formed the sham-people of the Hebraons, the gypsies, who in their megalomania and in selfishness and egoism, named themselves a chosen people, who wanted to take up an elevated and ruling position over all terrestrial peoples, as is indeed known to you. > 3. But you also know that this sham-people over a very long time always reached its goals, however, always only through murder, arson, the betrayal of friendships, and intrigues, and so forth, whereby they, the original forefathers of today’s Israelis, were truly masters. > 4. Their distant descendents now, today’s Israelis, respectively their responsible ones and their myrmidons can - like the U.S.A. - commit the worst crimes pitilessly and unhindered and with their secret services and military, right before the eyes of the world at large, and even with their approval. Imagine that. A rant against the Jews, claiming that they were never really a people, but a criminal mob, (while linking the Rom, “Gypsies,” into the same group), that “always reached their goals.” So, now, on top of fake UFOs and fake biblical prophecies, we have explicit anti-semitism that denies actual history and then tries to lump together two separate persecuted groups into a single criminal organization. I know, I am just too blind to see the obvious truth. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/904 "2013-10-04T22:17:48Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > OoooH! Look what I found in the last link:Imagine that. A rant against the Jews, claiming that they were never really a people, but a criminal mob, (while linking the Rom, “Gypsies,” into the same group), that “always reached their goals.” > > So, now, on top of fake UFOs and fake biblical prophecies, we have explicit anti-semitism that denies actual history and then tries to lump together two separate persecuted groups into a single criminal organization. > > I know, I am just too blind to see the obvious truth. :rolleyes: I bet 100 quatloos that this will turn out to be a nasty mistranslation slipped into the public record by the MIBs. The original which will be discovered suddenly after another conversation with the (aliens/dean martin dancers) will certainly read more like “Those Jews are pretty nice people, kittens are cute and how about some nice warm cookies?” ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/905 "2013-10-04T23:37:18Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Look it was destroyed by the Mossad during an assassination attempt on Isa Rashid and his family OK? This may (or may not) explain why the evidence doesn’t exist, but the problem I have is…the evidence doesn’t exist. You’ve got nothing. You don’t have any evidence to point to. So… No, not OK. Not OK in any sense. You can’t invoke evidence and then explain, “Oh, but it was destroyed.” You can’t build an argument on the foundation of “Well, you just have to trust me.” ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/906 "2013-10-04T23:41:18Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Find out for yourself > [The TJ's Discovery](http://www.tjresearch.info/discovery.htm) They found it in 1963…and didn’t show it to anybody? Didn’t take it to a university? Didn’t even take photos to show to scholars and historians? This is beyond the bounds of incompetence. Anyone so stupid as that cannot possibly be trusted to perform an adequate translation. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/907 "2013-10-04T23:46:50Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > . . . My other question deals with the many illustrations of Jesus on the opening page. Why do they all depict him as peach-colored with light hair and eyes? . . . Illustrations? In a manuscript written by Judas Iscariot? Wouldn’t happen; this would be a violation of the law. What is the “art style” of the illustrations? What medium? What are the color pigments? All these questions are, I’m sure, never going to be answered by our true believers. But…thanks and applause to you for taking the time to look this stuff up. You’ve been one of my SDMB heroes for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/908 "2013-10-04T23:48:26Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > What most people don’t realise is that there exist a magma chamber some 7 kilometers right under the Vatican city and through an earthquake this city will be destroyed. . . . I’m sure you’re prepared to back this up with a cite. A simple reference to an article in a mainstream geology journal would be fine. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/909 "2013-10-05T00:13:21Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Illustrations? In a manuscript written by Judas Iscariot? Wouldn’t happen; this would be a violation of the law. Oh, I saw no indication that the illustrations were supposed to be from the lost manuscript. They were just happy portraits of an Aryan Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/910 "2013-10-05T00:23:41Z")
The Book of Matthew is the nearest cognate to the Talmud Jmmanuel, but the other gospels have passages related to the TJ that are not found in Matthew. This is explained by Matthew being the first gospel and the other three followed from Matthew. One of my favorite examples of this is found in the Book of Luke. In Luke Jesus gives his final instructions to his disciples and then is “carried” or "taken"into heaven. Carried or taken by what? Luke doesn’t say how or what carried Jesus. The TJ ( chapter 32:49-53)clears up this mystery- it was a “metallic light” which descended, Jmmanuel entered into it and then this metalic light ascended. In other words he was carried what we today might call a UFO. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/911 "2013-10-05T00:41:26Z")
I keep reading this as “Jay Manuel”. I’m not surprised that we’ve now got some some anti-semitism oozing out of dungpile. All the worst conspiracy theories seem to cross-contaminate. Can we get the true believers to start doing experiments in their backyard barbeque grills next? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/912 "2013-10-05T00:48:35Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > The Book of Matthew is the nearest cognate to the Talmud Jmmanuel, but the other gospels have passages related to the TJ that are not found in Matthew. This is explained by Matthew being the first gospel and the other three followed from Matthew. Nope. Mark, Matthew, Luke, John. That has already been established long before the ETs started dabbling in invented scriptures. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/913 "2013-10-05T00:50:39Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I’m sure you’re prepared to back this up with a cite. A simple reference to an article in a mainstream geology journal would be fine. Nah. They already covered their asses: > [@](#): > > 1. Just as before and just as ever, however, there will be know-it-alls and cult-religious believers who will say that the Vesuvius volcano is not in or near Rome but rather is in the vicinity of Naples. > 2. **These know-it-alls, however, do not know the conditions of the interior of the Earth, much like even the responsible scientists**. > 3. Thus, they do not know that the main activity of the volcano does not lie directly under it but lies directly and very deeply beneath the city of Rome, so in addition, those areas which will be shaken at the end of November will be caused partly by the magma eruption, water, and gas chambers and be caused partly by tectonic shifts. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/914 "2013-10-05T00:54:30Z")
Those superior aliens are snarky little bastards, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/915 "2013-10-05T01:04:56Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Those superior aliens are snarky little bastards, aren’t they? It’s probably just a translation issue, and they sound much more professional in the original Aramajc. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/916 "2013-10-05T01:38:08Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Nah. They already covered their asses: Is the term “know-it-all” actually in their “talmud”? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/917 "2013-10-05T01:42:02Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Oh, I saw no indication that the illustrations were supposed to be from the lost manuscript. They were just happy portraits of an Aryan Jesus. Oh. Well, as the nice lady used to say, “That’s different. Never mind.” ---
**Author:** ![johhny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e495f1/32.png) [@johhny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johhny)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/918 "2013-10-05T03:48:46Z")
[INDENT][INDENT] > [@DrFidelius](#): > > “Johhny” has just joined this forum, and this is so far his only post. Until he provides more content, my first instinct is that he is intimately connected with you and the other two Meierites. Hello DrFidelius. I’m not connected to any people on this forum, this was a random stumbled topic. That post was inspired by stumbling upon information about the possibilities of E.T. existence and of people who talk about their encounters. Furthermore the previous post was not written in the faith of “for” or “against” Billy’s case. Without having absolute evidence or investigative tools I cannot verify or deny his claims, neither is it necessary. Partly because there is so much more E.T. related commotion around the world. It’s 2013 now, not 1970’s! 🙂 It’s better not to get lost in arguments - as they don’t really bring about constructive change. Fighting/arguing over beliefs, is conflict over ideology. If Billy IS telling the truth. Good for all, then many more will experience this in the future and our knowledge will expand! If Billy is NOT telling the truth. Move on as it doesn’t matter, as there are other big questions is still out there… are we alone in the Universe? Let people believe whatever they want to believe, as long as it doesn’t bring harm or negativity to themselves and others.[/INDENT][/INDENT] ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/919 "2013-10-05T04:19:58Z")
> [@johhny](#): > > Let people believe whatever they want to believe, as long as it doesn’t bring harm or negativity to themselves and others. See, some people are of the opinion that believing certain falsehoods/scams are inherently harmful. The problem is that no man is an island (sorry, Mr Donne). If a person chooses to believe something that is blatantly false, they can (as **newinitiation** has) encourage others to join in this belief or distract them. While this may not appear to be necessarily a bad thing, this diverts mental, physical, and economic resources from the pursuit of hard verifiable facts and the extension of human knowledge. Not only this, it diverts resources away from these pursuits in order to address would-be scammers. And that is inherently harmful, not only to society and individuals but to the greater pursuit of truth. Now, if people like **newinitiation** want to believe these things without causing harm, that’s fine. But that also involves not posting on the internet or proselytizing and generally just keeping those thoughts in their heads. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/920 "2013-10-05T09:15:51Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > We have an entity or entities who admit to deliberately misleading their own direct contacts. You may call it “plausible deniability” but I call it lying. If they are ready, willing and eager to lie about how their space ships look or move (purposefully piloting them so they look just like a model on a string) then I cannot trust their word on anything. Liars will lie to your face, and construct even more elaborate lies when confronted. I will not be an enabler. > > Sorry, but any superior entity who wants my respect must have higher moral standards than that. Where in the contact notes or for that matter from any of the Billy Meier material does the Plejaren state that they lied to Billy? Care to quote or link? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=47)