# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/941 "2013-10-05T12:22:51Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Look who’s talking The Moderator has two things to say: newinitiation, this is as close as you can come to insulting another poster in Great Debates, get me? Might even strike me as over the line depending. So watch yourself. Also, that’s a lot of posts. I respect your desire to reply to everyone. That’s good. But it might be better to combine them into one post going forward. It’ll make the thread flow better. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/942 "2013-10-05T12:26:37Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > There will obvious be translation errors especially when most native German speakers don’t even know high German. Of all the crazy shit shoveled in this thread, this cracked me up the most. What language do you think most native German speakers do understand? You needn’t mention dialects, because those Germans (and Austrians and Swiss et al) who speak dialect are generally perfectly able to understand High German. I’ve talked to many, many Germans in my life (because, well, I have lived there my whole life), and never met anyone who didn’t understand High German. Your statement is utter rubbish. > [@](#): > > The German language has also gone through many alterations and bastardization throughout the years I was already speaking German in 1980, and tell you what, it was the same language then as it is now. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/943 "2013-10-05T13:08:56Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Where in the contact notes or for that matter from any of the Billy Meier material does the Plejaren state that they lied to Billy? > > Care to quote or link? Liars do not say they are lying, unless they are setting you up for a bigger lie. It is by their actions that we know they are liars, as for instance by flying their saucers to look exactly like a model on a string. And why are we waiting for a translation of the new Talmud? There are thousands of people in the world who understand Aramaic and who could help share out the burden. All they need is a copy or photo of the manuscript page Billy is working from. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/944 "2013-10-05T13:16:16Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > The fact that there is ample amount of FOI declassified government documents clearly indicating that MIB’s exists and that throughout the decades, these people were responsible for suppressing information related to UFO sightings. Do tell! Please provide said documents. [QUOTE=newinitiation] The disclosure project headed by Dr Steven Greer has impeccably credentialed military eyewitnesses and the people who had been the MIB itself having given their own testimony against threat of incarceration to bravely admit that they were involved in such black operations. [http://www.disclosureproject.org/](http://www.disclosureproject.org/) [/QUOTE] Can you tell me which of the witnesses mention Men In Black? I read a few and didn’t find any, I’d rather not peruse 500 statements chasing it down. Also, what due dilligence did you perform on the aliens-sent-telepathic-suggestions-of-a-starship-design-but-it-was-used-for-a-trash-can-lid-instead story? Further, were you mistaken about the destruction of the TJ, or has the story changed, or what? > [@newinitiation](#): > > Contact Reports Volume: 5 > Page number(s): 425-437 > Date/time of contact: Thurday, July 7th, 1988, 5:19AM Ok, so it pre-dates the no-predictions policy. > [@newinitiation](#): > > What kind of a rubbish dog shit of an explanation is this > > The quote identifies the Israelites and the habraon which is mutually exclusive to the Jews Oh, so the Jews (“today’s Israelis”) are merely the “distant descendents” of these murderous, scheming sham-people. Got it. Nothing anti-semetic there. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/945 "2013-10-05T13:30:44Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > And why are we waiting for a translation of the new Talmud? There are thousands of people in the world who understand Aramaic and who could help share out the burden. All they need is a copy or photo of the manuscript page Billy is working from. Hell, I could probably manage myself. Aramaic and Hebrew are pretty similar. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/946 "2013-10-05T14:43:02Z")
> [@johhny](#): > > [INDENT][INDENT] > > Hello DrFidelius. I’m not connected to any people on this forum, this was a random stumbled topic. That post was inspired by stumbling upon information about the possibilities of E.T. existence and of people who talk about their encounters. Furthermore the previous post was not written in the faith of “for” or “against” Billy’s case. Without having absolute evidence or investigative tools I cannot verify or deny his claims, neither is it necessary. Partly because there is so much more E.T. related commotion around the world. It’s 2013 now, not 1970’s! 🙂 > > It’s better not to get lost in arguments - as they don’t really bring about constructive change. Fighting/arguing over beliefs, is conflict over ideology. > > If Billy IS telling the truth. Good for all, then many more will experience this in the future and our knowledge will expand! > > If Billy is NOT telling the truth. Move on as it doesn’t matter, as there are other big questions is still out there… are we alone in the Universe? > > Let people believe whatever they want to believe, as long as it doesn’t bring harm or negativity to themselves and others.[/INDENT][/INDENT] Thank you for returning “ **johhny**.” You give me hope for humanity. On the whole, I agree with you. I honestly do not care what type of nonsensical beliefs anyone else holds, until they impinge on my life. I can assure you, no one on this board had the slightest interest in “debunking” Billy Meier until September 16th of this year, when this thread was started by **TheBodhi** , who made a total of nine posts before disappearing once again. It would have dropped off the page and into the archives if other Meierites had not followed to incite an argument. No Doper sought out Meier’s pages to start mocking them, and a Search of our archives indicates no one here had mentioned Meier in over 14 years. I do not believe any of us are engaging Meierites in discussions anywhere on the internet except this thread, and it is only a handful of us who are bothering here. We really do not care. Billy’s acolytes are free to believe anything they wish, but as this board was founded to “fight ignorance” we hold Witnessing to a high standard. And, unfortunately, the examples from the Meierite apologists are embarrassingly poor. They can believe in their space dancer photos, garbage-can-lid space ships, missing manuscripts and anti-Semitic fantasies as much as the want, but they must expect to be called on their super-secret space gospel mystery cult bullshit when they come out of their caves. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/947 "2013-10-05T15:00:17Z")
. This is pretty funny: > [@newinitiation](#): > > I didn’t ask anyone to trust everything I say > > People must do their own discerning and thinking. because it is on the same page as this: > [@newinitiation](#): > > Can’t you see the irrationality of going against something that which you know nothing about He clearly knows a hell of a lot more about it than you do, and you clearly try to dismiss anyone who does do their own thinking and doesn’t come to your pet conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/948 "2013-10-05T15:32:18Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > No Billy doesn’t give exact dates due to the enormous danger this poses as people learning of the impending future will try to change it or to even profit from it financially leading to unintended consequences. I didn’t ask for exact dates-I asked for predictions that aren’t a decade away. ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/949 "2013-10-05T15:38:22Z")
Here’s what I have to say about the “J” controversy: Jmmanuel received education from the Plajeran ET’s. He knew the proper spelling of his name. Judas Iscariot wrote the TJ according to the lectures, instructions, and other dictations from Jmmanuel. And final finishing touches were made to the TJ by Jmmanuel’s son before it was delivered to the Tomb in Jerusalem. Likewise, Billy nows the proper spelling of Jmmanuel. The arguments about “J” not being in the Aramaic alphabet are mute. And another subject: Anyone who would try to suppress any free speech related to Billy Meier material are fighting a loosing battle. And a message to believers in the abrahamic religions: Although there may be remnants of your religions for another few centuries, nevertheless your religions are definitely on the decline. And that decline will soon acclerate. So, I’m sorry to tell you your religions are dying. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/950 "2013-10-05T15:42:18Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Here’s what I have to say about the “J” controversy: > > Jmmanuel received education from the Plajeran ET’s. He knew the proper spelling of his name. Judas Iscariot wrote the TJ according to the lectures, instructions, and other dictations from Jmmanuel. And final finishing touches were made to the TJ by Jmmanuel’s son before it was delivered to the Tomb in Jerusalem. Likewise, Billy nows the proper spelling of Jmmanuel. The arguments about “J” not being in the Aramaic alphabet are mute. > > And another subject: Anyone who would try to suppress any free speech related to Billy Meier material are fighting a loosing battle. > > And a message to believers in the abrahamic religions: Although there may be remnants of your religions for another few centuries, nevertheless your religions are definitely on the decline. And that decline will soon acclerate. So, I’m sorry to tell you your religions are dying. So, the ETs told him that his name was properly spelled with a letter that would not be invented for more than a thousand years? Now \*that \*is an \*\*amazing \*\*prophesy! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/951 "2013-10-05T15:43:45Z")
What exactly is preventing these supposed “MiB” from breaking in, inducing a “heart attack” on Ol’ Billy, and taking all the evidence he supposedly has? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/952 "2013-10-05T15:51:19Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Can’t you see the irrationality of going against something that which you know nothing about > > What other than a sense of know-it-allism and egotism could someone engage in such assault beyond common reason and sense to attack something that which he knows nothing about. > > How irrational is that I know quite a lot about language–enough to know that everything posted by you or mystic7 regardiing names, languages, or translations is utter nonsense. Since all your claims are based on (horribly bad) mistranslations or false claims about names and langages, if those are false–and they are–there isno reason to believe that the nonseense reported in the texts is other than trash. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/953 "2013-10-05T15:52:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What exactly is preventing these supposed “MiB” from breaking in, inducing a “heart attack” on Ol’ Billy, and taking all the evidence he supposedly has? Remember, they already did(the evidence). Somehow the 21 actual assassination attempts failed. Pretty spry for a poor, one armed old guy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/954 "2013-10-05T15:59:02Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Remember, they already did(the evidence). Somehow the 21 actual assassination attempts failed. > Pretty spry for a poor, one armed old guy. Are the “MiB” made up entirely of idiot-savants? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/955 "2013-10-05T21:30:55Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > What kind of a rubbish dog shit of an explanation is this > > The quote identifies the Israelites and the habraon which is mutually exclusive to the Jews I am glad that you recgnize that the lies your beloved ETs are telling are “rubbish dog shit.” Now we are making progress. Please note that you seem to have misread paragraph 103 that talks about Israelis, not Israelites. In fact, I see no references to Israelites. The text lies that Jews (or Israelis) are the same people as Gypsies: thesy are not. And, since Israel was founded by Jews, your odd claim that your ETs are not libeling Jews is asurdly silly. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/956 "2013-10-05T22:03:06Z")
[QUOTE=Human Action] Oh, so the Jews (“today’s Israelis”) are merely the “distant descendents” of these murderous, scheming sham-people. [/QUOTE] [The sham-people](http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bradley_loos/3389773459/) have also performed mind-control through musical-manipulation. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/957 "2013-10-05T22:09:30Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > For your satisfaction > > [Geotimes - January 2002 - Mount Vesuvius](http://www.geotimes.org/jan02/NN_vesuvius.html) Magma crater under Vesuvius, yes. Vesuvius is nearby Naples, not Rome. You said there was a magma crater under Rome, and I don’t think this is shown by the article you cited. The Vatican is in Rome, not in Naples. The two are around a hundred miles apart. Not satisfied. ---
**Author:** ![DaveM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@DaveM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveM)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/958 "2013-10-05T22:27:48Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Magma crater under Vesuvius, yes. Vesuvius is nearby Naples, not Rome. You said there was a magma crater under Rome, and I don’t think this is shown by the article you cited. The Vatican is in Rome, not in Naples. The two are around a hundred miles apart. > > Not satisfied. [A small volcano vent has suddenly appeared near Rome’s International Fiumicino airport.](http://www.euronews.com/2013/08/28/mini-volcano-pops-up-in-rome/) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/959 "2013-10-05T22:28:52Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > [The sham-people](http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bradley_loos/3389773459/) have also performed mind-control through musical-manipulation. “Wooly Bully” makes a \*lot \*more sense in Aramajc. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/960 "2013-10-05T23:53:09Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Geezz are you perfect!? Of course, not. Like a master carpet weaver, I insist on making one error each year in order to maintain my humility. > [@](#): > > Do you get every God damn thing right!? Usually. Actually, I do make errors, but Ihave made far fewer in this thread than the hoaxers you keep citing who have made so many mistakes about history, language, scripture, and science, even beyond their deliberate lies, that they can only decceive people who have NO education in ANY of those fields. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=49)