# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/961 "2013-10-05T23:56:48Z")
> [@DaveM](#): > > [A small volcano vent has suddenly appeared near Rome’s International Fiumicino airport.](http://www.euronews.com/2013/08/28/mini-volcano-pops-up-in-rome/) Okay, that’s pretty cool, I admit. But it doesn’t support the claim of “a magma chamber some 7 kilometers right under the Vatican city.” ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/962 "2013-10-06T03:14:33Z")
Geophysicist here. I suppose presumably the idea was that a scientist couldn’t easily dismiss the idea of a magma chamber several kilometers under a city. But the funny thing is that even if there are no direct measurements (as in no drilled wells), indirect measurements are sufficient to detect plenty of things under the surface. It is, in fact, how I make my living working for a contractor that helps oil companies detect subsurface hydrocarbons at such depths. While my particular area of expertise is not volcanoes, every volcano situated near any major population center certainly has monitoring by geophysicists. So, no, the very concept of this undiscovered subsurface magma chamber connected to a volcano a hundred miles away is ridiculous. We have the tools and technology to detect such things and have had such for decades now. I see that they tried to cover their asses by claiming scientists can’t actually do this. And maybe that was true 50 years ago. It’s not true now. Maybe you can claim our theoretical knowledge is false. Well, that doesn’t work, either, or else we wouldn’t have success drilling for oil/gas at depths (including wells exceeding 7km depth). Our technical expertise is certainly quite up to the task, which has been repeatedly verified by direct experiment and economic recovery of hydrocarbons. And also by experiences like detecting trapped miners, like the case of the Chilean miners a few years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/963 "2013-10-06T03:36:38Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Here’s what I have to say about the “J” controversy: > > Jmmanuel received education from the Plajeran ET’s. He knew the proper spelling of his name. Judas Iscariot wrote the TJ according to the lectures, instructions, and other dictations from Jmmanuel. And final finishing touches were made to the TJ by Jmmanuel’s son before it was delivered to the Tomb in Jerusalem. Likewise, Billy nows the proper spelling of Jmmanuel. The arguments about “J” not being in the Aramaic alphabet are mute. > > And another subject: Anyone who would try to suppress any free speech related to Billy Meier material are fighting a loosing battle. > > And a message to believers in the abrahamic religions: Although there may be remnants of your religions for another few centuries, nevertheless your religions are definitely on the decline. And that decline will soon acclerate. So, I’m sorry to tell you your religions are dying. “Moot” “Losing” In the spirit of the thread, “jmoot” is acceptable. > [@tomndebb](#): > > Of course, not. Like a master carpet weaver, I insist on making one error each year in order to maintain my humility. > Usually. > Actually, I do make errors, but Ihave made far fewer in this thread than the hoaxers you keep citing who have made so many mistakes about history, language, scripture, and science, even beyond their deliberate lies, that they can only decceive people who have NO education in ANY of those fields. They’re not doing well convincing those of us without specialized knowledge either. ---
**Author:** ![johhny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e495f1/32.png) [@johhny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johhny)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/964 "2013-10-06T03:42:53Z")
[INDENT][INDENT] > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > See, some people are of the opinion that believing certain falsehoods/scams are inherently harmful. > > The problem is that no man is an island (sorry, Mr Donne). If a person chooses to believe something that is blatantly false, they can (as **newinitiation** has) encourage others to join in this belief or distract them. While this may not appear to be necessarily a bad thing, this diverts mental, physical, and economic resources from the pursuit of hard verifiable facts and the extension of human knowledge. Not only this, it diverts resources away from these pursuits in order to address would-be scammers. > > And that is inherently harmful, not only to society and individuals but to the greater pursuit of truth. > > Now, if people like **newinitiation** want to believe these things without causing harm, that’s fine. But that also involves not posting on the internet or proselytizing and generally just keeping those thoughts in their heads. It’s probably right about the disruption of truth or facts by misinformation or deception. Yet try to remember that in the classic scientific approach, nothing is absolute truth, most things are derived in ACCORD to current knowledge and understanding. A hypothesis/theory is valid until dis-proven. That is classic science. Now we don’t have to be classic scientists to understand the harm deception can bring. Yet on the other hand we’re bombarded and surrounded by deception in our seemingly normal “everyday” lives. Do you believe all statements in the commercials you watch? Do you believe in magic? Did we find WMDs in Irag? Do you believe in every word the president/PM says? Deception at this moment is all around us, and sometimes through experiencing it we may come to discover a higher understanding/truth/fact. Hence deception can sometimes be a good wake-up call, when a person may realize that whatever he believed was false or was just a good looking idea. Or in simple terms, “beautiful bullshit” 🙂 So let’s say a person is confused and doesn’t see the higher truth yet. He hasn’t spotted the deception. If he tries to convince everyone forcefully to believe his confusion, he’s not “the evil”, he’s still confused. Are you more likely to reveal his confusion by arguing/force/insults/derogatory comments? Maybe. Probably not - as experience shows on this forum. Or is it more peaceful to state “OK thank you” and move on? Let that person be with whatever he has, until one day it dawns on him. It’s everyone’s own task to learn to discern the lie and the fact. And that again comes from “experience”, and without experiencing deception - how would one learn? Not everyone is born a truth seer. Well imho… (my subjective opinion that is not be forced upon anyone). Is that Billy is not being honest. Probably has a beautiful imagination and would have made a wonderful science fiction writer. What made me make the opinion? ---- It’s the ego that is evident (we all have one). It’s the attraction to fame and attention, plus inconsistent messages of higher spirituality yet the loving vibration is not there. And exclusivity claims. And plus this site with according information. [http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/](http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/) Particularly this and this. [http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/asket\_nera\_deconstruction.html](http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/asket_nera_deconstruction.html) [http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/dinosaur\_deconstruction.html](http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/dinosaur_deconstruction.html) Although there are justifications that all those were faked by “MIB”. Which then makes it seem like MIB are only after Billy and no-one else who also had encounters. Unless ALL else who had encounters are fakes and not real - then Billy is the only one. That makes him again, exclusive. No offense newinitiation, this is just my subjective opinion - not aggressive towards yourself or Billy. My opinion is subjective, limited from what I gathered. I don’t hold the absolute truth. Nevertheless, it’s pointless to argue or prove anything in this ideology matter. Since it is the persons life and path to choose and experience whatever is there. Let it be. And finally, if you don’t believe in Billy’s case - Why are you spending time on this forum arguing? Over something you don’t believe? Isn’t that an obstacle? Perhaps you could be doing something more constructive now? :)[/INDENT][/INDENT] ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/965 "2013-10-06T04:08:53Z")
In the OP and Herr Meier’s defense, I don’t believe [these are photos of the same woman.](http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/meier-asket.jpg) They are lovely and have similar haircuts, but at that time, in suburban Chicago, not the Pleiades, most of the girls I knew were working on that same straight, blonde hair, Swedish bikini model look, with varying degrees of success. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/966 "2013-10-06T04:17:40Z")
> [@johhny](#): > > And finally, if you don’t believe in Billy’s case - Why are you spending time on this forum arguing? Over something you don’t believe? Isn’t that an obstacle? Perhaps you could be doing something more constructive now? 🙂 Scroll to the top of the page. Check out what if says in the banner right under the words “THE STRAIGHT DOPE”. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/967 "2013-10-06T04:52:41Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Geophysicist here. . . . > > But the funny thing is that even if there are no direct measurements (as in no drilled wells), indirect measurements are sufficient to detect plenty of things under the surface. . . . > > So, no, the very concept of this undiscovered subsurface magma chamber connected to a volcano a hundred miles away is ridiculous. We have the tools and technology to detect such things and have had such for decades now. . . . Thank you! I was all but certain this was the case, but wanted a cite one way or the other. Cool job, by the way! ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/968 "2013-10-06T05:18:57Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Yeah! It’s the ISRAELITES that are criminal scumbags! Not Jews! How could you possibly make that mistake?! I am not and I mean if you read between the lines, what you wrote above is exactly what I was referring to Smeghead. For once we agree on one thing The Jews does not necessarily have to be a Zionist nor an Isrealite nor a Habraon OK There are even Jewish people who oppose the Zionist Isrealites and non Israelites alike and likewise just because you are a Zionist doesn’t mean that you are a Jew ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/969 "2013-10-06T05:24:57Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > The Moderator has two things to say: > > newinitiation, this is as close as you can come to insulting another poster in Great Debates, get me? Might even strike me as over the line depending. So watch yourself. > > Also, that’s a lot of posts. I respect your desire to reply to everyone. That’s good. But it might be better to combine them into one post going forward. It’ll make the thread flow better. Duly noted thanks for the advice. Now how could you possibly cover 15-20 different queries all in a single post without generalising which takes away from the debate with absence of specificity and detail required to do it justice. Not only will this make mute, the point that needs to be delivered, but it’ll detract from accuracy because of over simplicity. I am only showing my common courtesy in reciprocity to people who have shown the same courtesy to reply back whatever their contentions or the nature of the post may be. So I hope you understand. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/970 "2013-10-06T05:25:30Z")
> [@johhny](#): > > Nevertheless, it’s pointless to argue or prove anything in this ideology matter. Since it is the persons life and path to choose and experience whatever is there. Let it be. Them first. No, really. They are free to choose whatever they want to believe in the privacy of their own minds. I’ll leave them that. But once they choose to attempt to affect other people’s beliefs, their beliefs are fair game. You say “live and let live”. That works both ways. Why the double standard? > [@johhny](#): > > And finally, if you don’t believe in Billy’s case - Why are you spending time on this forum arguing? Over something you don’t believe? Isn’t that an obstacle? Perhaps you could be doing something more constructive now? More constructive than fighting ignorance? I actually do consider ignorance and bad science an inherent detriment to the human race. Better yet, the last couple hundred years (since the Enlightenment, basically) have shown that personal beliefs are even more illuminating, useful, and constructive when they are based on verifiable fact. We’ve certainly advanced much faster by insisting on such. Then, what could be more constructive than fighting against such ignorance? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/971 "2013-10-06T05:34:39Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Of all the crazy shit shoveled in this thread, this cracked me up the most. What language do you think most native German speakers do understand? You needn’t mention dialects, because those Germans (and Austrians and Swiss et al) who speak dialect are generally perfectly able to understand High German. I’ve talked to many, many Germans in my life (because, well, I have lived there my whole life), and never met anyone who didn’t understand High German. Your statement is utter rubbish. > > I was already speaking German in 1980, and tell you what, it was the same language then as it is now. The reality is that all forms of various earth languages have deteriorated [http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy\_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p22-23.htm](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p22-23.htm) ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/972 "2013-10-06T05:38:53Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Liars do not say they are lying, unless they are setting you up for a bigger lie. It is by their actions that we know they are liars, as for instance by flying their saucers to look exactly like a model on a string. > > And why are we waiting for a translation of the new Talmud? There are thousands of people in the world who understand Aramaic and who could help share out the burden. All they need is a copy or photo of the manuscript page Billy is working from. The UFO photos have gone through stringent scientific analysis with sophisticated equipment of the day and were deemed genuine and not models on strings. [http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy\_Meier/Contact\_Report\_251](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251) Ptaah You must continue to keep this secret; do not speak about it under any circumstances. We are only permitted to elaborate to the point as our withdrawal from Earth is linked with the immediate future and related events, in which we are not allowed to interfere in any form so that we may protect and keep close reigns on the secret regarding our own culture and region where we live. This is tied in also with the fact that some matters are impending. On one hand, we were able to foresee them but, on the other hand, they are the reason for our withdrawal, while events that have been unfolding on Earth for several decades now were part of our assignments. We have fulfilled this task, along with the many others we were obligated to look after, and you have played a very important role in this scenario of making public, worldwide, the so-called UFO phenomenon, as terrestrials have labeled it. You alone made it possible to promulgate this subject matter worldwide and provoke the controversy to the extent that it is not only religious and pseudo-esoteric sectarians, fanatics, gullible individuals, madmen, etc., who preoccupy themselves with the subject. Finally, for some time now, a great variety of scientists, governmental agencies, military services and governments have also begun to seriously preoccupy themselves with this subject, a fact that could not have been accomplished without your help and great resulting effort. Actually, alone through your efforts was this successful launching of the worldwide UFO controversy possible, for which we all express our appreciation to you - a recognition you had to really struggle for, when I think of all the harm that came crashing down upon you. And it is irrelevant whether they were health related or associated with the defamations, abusive language, assassination attempts, diatribes of hatred and other things to which we, unfortunately, had to contribute our share, as you know. Had it not been for these occurrences, the UFO controversy would never have come about and scientists, as well as the military and governments, among others, would not have become seriously interested in it. In your defense I am permitted today to speak officially about these matters and the fact that we used special techniques to analyze and evaluate in great detail the movie and photo montages, along with the movie trick photography used by all those bogus and deceitful, purported contactees or UFO observers. We found that their falsified movie and photo material appealed to terrestrial humans, particularly to those so-called UFO experts who call themselves ufologists and the like, and this even includes some well-respected scientists. The absurdity of the falsifications, and the people who believed them, is stunning yet extremely effective. For this reason, we executed maneuvers with our genuinely existing flying objects, e.g., jerky pendulum movements and certain skipping and floating movements, which ordinarily are not a part of our flying objects’ normal movements and flight techniques. Instead, they appeared like those ridiculous, abrupt pendulum and strange swaying movements of the manipulated movies and photos by the UFO swindlers, liars and charlatans. The fact that we chose to execute these movement types is based on the reasoning that they, in particular, would result in the worldwide, fierce UFO controversy which resulted in many hardships for you, of course. You were accused of fraud, deceit, charlatanry and, indeed, dishonesty. You were further charged with constructing models and then photographing and filming them. Often we felt very sorry for you, but were unable to change any of this. Only by executing certain flight maneuvers, which you then were able to film, photograph and disseminate throughout the globe, was the worldwide UFO controversy ensured that led to the previously mentioned outcome. In the future, they will also bring about additional and by now urgently needed results. It may be some consolation to you now to know that everything has occurred with the desired and intended outcome, and that you are now the most important person in matters related to contacts with extraterrestrials and UFO affairs - you probably are the most famous personality worldwide in these matters. Of c… ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/973 "2013-10-06T06:02:24Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Do tell! Please provide said documents. > > Can you tell me which of the witnesses mention Men In Black? I read a few and didn’t find any, I’d rather not peruse 500 statements chasing it down. > > Also, what due dilligence did you perform on the aliens-sent-telepathic-suggestions-of-a-starship-design-but-it-was-used-for-a-trash-can-lid-instead story? > > Further, were you mistaken about the destruction of the TJ, or has the story changed, or what? > > Ok, so it pre-dates the no-predictions policy. > > Oh, so the Jews (“today’s Israelis”) are merely the “distant descendents” of these murderous, scheming sham-people. Got it. Nothing anti-semetic there. Look it was many many years ago that I came across it and don’t have the files with me to provide them for you right now not to mention having to go through the mountains of documents to extract it. You will have to refine your search of that document from Dr Greer’s website ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/974 "2013-10-06T06:03:24Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Hell, I could probably manage myself. Aramaic and Hebrew are pretty similar. Its being revised and errors corrected ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/975 "2013-10-06T06:09:39Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Thank you for returning “ **johhny**.” You give me hope for humanity. > > On the whole, I agree with you. I honestly do not care what type of nonsensical beliefs anyone else holds, until they impinge on my life. > > I can assure you, no one on this board had the slightest interest in “debunking” Billy Meier until September 16th of this year, when this thread was started by **TheBodhi** , who made a total of nine posts before disappearing once again. > > It would have dropped off the page and into the archives if other Meierites had not followed to incite an argument. No Doper sought out Meier’s pages to start mocking them, and a Search of our archives indicates no one here had mentioned Meier in over 14 years. I do not believe any of us are engaging Meierites in discussions anywhere on the internet except this thread, and it is only a handful of us who are bothering here. We really do not care. > > Billy’s acolytes are free to believe anything they wish, but as this board was founded to “fight ignorance” we hold Witnessing to a high standard. And, unfortunately, the examples from the Meierite apologists are embarrassingly poor. > > They can believe in their space dancer photos, garbage-can-lid space ships, missing manuscripts and anti-Semitic fantasies as much as the want, but they must expect to be called on their super-secret space gospel mystery cult bullshit when they come out of their caves. Like I said only if you dealt with the material instead of ranting and raving aganist something that you have never done a decent research on. In the court of law you won’t even make it past the front door with that kind of sloppy approach. This is where you people go wrong. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/976 "2013-10-06T06:11:24Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > . > > This is pretty funny: > > because it is on the same page as this: > > He clearly knows a hell of a lot more about it than you do, and you clearly try to dismiss anyone who does do their own thinking and doesn’t come to your pet conclusion. All with what! not a shread of reading or investigation ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/977 "2013-10-06T06:13:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I didn’t ask for exact dates-I asked for predictions that aren’t a decade away. Look its all here if you want to know what the future has in store for us Some will obviously come to pass way before 2029 and you won’t be left waiting for too long > **[Prophecies & Predictions](http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies-predictions)** > > The Henoch Prophecies from the Billy Meier Contacts So many of the prophecies and predictions written by, Swiss UFO contactee Billy Meier, and/or given to him by the Plejaren extraterrestrial/alien human beings, have come true that we'd be wise to... ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/978 "2013-10-06T06:14:24Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Here’s what I have to say about the “J” controversy: > > Jmmanuel received education from the Plajeran ET’s. He knew the proper spelling of his name. Judas Iscariot wrote the TJ according to the lectures, instructions, and other dictations from Jmmanuel. And final finishing touches were made to the TJ by Jmmanuel’s son before it was delivered to the Tomb in Jerusalem. Likewise, Billy nows the proper spelling of Jmmanuel. The arguments about “J” not being in the Aramaic alphabet are mute. > > And another subject: Anyone who would try to suppress any free speech related to Billy Meier material are fighting a loosing battle. > > And a message to believers in the abrahamic religions: Although there may be remnants of your religions for another few centuries, nevertheless your religions are definitely on the decline. And that decline will soon acclerate. So, I’m sorry to tell you your religions are dying. How true, how very true ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/979 "2013-10-06T06:15:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What exactly is preventing these supposed “MiB” from breaking in, inducing a “heart attack” on Ol’ Billy, and taking all the evidence he supposedly has? They made many attempts on his life out of the documented 22 assassination attempts on Billy’s life but failed in some instances due to Plejaren intervention and help. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/980 "2013-10-06T06:17:47Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I know quite a lot about language–enough to know that everything posted by you or mystic7 regardiing names, languages, or translations is utter nonsense. Since all your claims are based on (horribly bad) mistranslations or false claims about names and langages, if those are false–and they are–there isno reason to believe that the nonseense reported in the texts is other than trash. But you know nothing about the Meier case nor have you read anything beyond a cursory glance. There are so many aspects to the Meier case than this letter"J" used to spell Jmmanuel’s name which you are so obssessively fixated on [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=50)