# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/981 "2013-10-06T06:23:27Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Remember, they already did(the evidence). Somehow the 21 actual assassination attempts failed. > Pretty spry for a poor, one armed old guy. I mean what does that say about the Billy Meier case, Huh!? Do you think that anybody on the face of this planet except for a very few would continue their hoax if it was a hoax to put their lives on the line for basically nothing. Not only that but why would the authorities even bother to assassinate someone who was carrying out a hoax There has to be a very good reason for them to silence Billy Meier anyway they can to suppress information which they deem to be very important enough to warrant such an action. Now does that make any sense to you? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/982 "2013-10-06T06:28:37Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I am glad that you recgnize that the lies your beloved ETs are telling are “rubbish dog shit.” Now we are making progress. Please note that you seem to have misread paragraph 103 that talks about Israelis, not Israelites. In fact, I see no references to Israelites. The text lies that Jews (or Israelis) are the same people as Gypsies: thesy are not. And, since Israel was founded by Jews, your odd claim that your ETs are not libeling Jews is asurdly silly. I was referring to the poster in question so don’t put words in my mouth! And where do you get off on all this nonsense. The Jews of today have no resemblance to the old jews of the ancient. The ramnants of the habraon alliance still exists. You are wrong, the Zionists founded the state of Israel ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/983 "2013-10-06T06:32:05Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Magma crater under Vesuvius, yes. Vesuvius is nearby Naples, not Rome. You said there was a magma crater under Rome, and I don’t think this is shown by the article you cited. The Vatican is in Rome, not in Naples. The two are around a hundred miles apart. > > Not satisfied. Well if you can’t accept it just leave it at that for surely when the earthquake right under the city of Rome decimates the Vatican, you will be reminded that someone did mention something about it and don’t say that Billy meier didn’t tell anyone. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/984 "2013-10-06T06:35:41Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Geophysicist here. > > I suppose presumably the idea was that a scientist couldn’t easily dismiss the idea of a magma chamber several kilometers under a city. > > But the funny thing is that even if there are no direct measurements (as in no drilled wells), indirect measurements are sufficient to detect plenty of things under the surface. It is, in fact, how I make my living working for a contractor that helps oil companies detect subsurface hydrocarbons at such depths. While my particular area of expertise is not volcanoes, every volcano situated near any major population center certainly has monitoring by geophysicists. > > So, no, the very concept of this undiscovered subsurface magma chamber connected to a volcano a hundred miles away is ridiculous. We have the tools and technology to detect such things and have had such for decades now. > > I see that they tried to cover their asses by claiming scientists can’t actually do this. And maybe that was true 50 years ago. It’s not true now. Maybe you can claim our theoretical knowledge is false. Well, that doesn’t work, either, or else we wouldn’t have success drilling for oil/gas at depths (including wells exceeding 7km depth). Our technical expertise is certainly quite up to the task, which has been repeatedly verified by direct experiment and economic recovery of hydrocarbons. And also by experiences like detecting trapped miners, like the case of the Chilean miners a few years ago. Then you would know very well how a volcano with its chamber connected to the city over 100 miles away will do to the city above it when it sets off an earthquake. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/985 "2013-10-06T06:51:02Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I was referring to the poster in question so don’t put words in my mouth! > > And where do you get off on all this nonsense. > > The Jews of today have no resemblance to the old jews of the ancient. > > The ramnants of the habraon alliance still exists. > > You are wrong, the Zionists founded the state of Israel As an Israeli and a Zionist, I’m pretty sure I’m also a Jew. Oh, and I also think I have a thing or two in common with my ancestors. For one, I can read Aramaic. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/986 "2013-10-06T06:51:41Z")
> [@johhny](#): > > [INDENT][INDENT] > > It’s probably right about the disruption of truth or facts by misinformation or deception. Yet try to remember that in the classic scientific approach, nothing is absolute truth, most things are derived in ACCORD to current knowledge and understanding. A hypothesis/theory is valid until dis-proven. That is classic science. Now we don’t have to be classic scientists to understand the harm deception can bring. Yet on the other hand we’re bombarded and surrounded by deception in our seemingly normal “everyday” lives. Do you believe all statements in the commercials you watch? Do you believe in magic? Did we find WMDs in Irag? Do you believe in every word the president/PM says? Deception at this moment is all around us, and sometimes through experiencing it we may come to discover a higher understanding/truth/fact. > > Hence deception can sometimes be a good wake-up call, when a person may realize that whatever he believed was false or was just a good looking idea. Or in simple terms, “beautiful bullshit” 🙂 > > So let’s say a person is confused and doesn’t see the higher truth yet. He hasn’t spotted the deception. If he tries to convince everyone forcefully to believe his confusion, he’s not “the evil”, he’s still confused. Are you more likely to reveal his confusion by arguing/force/insults/derogatory comments? Maybe. Probably not - as experience shows on this forum. Or is it more peaceful to state “OK thank you” and move on? Let that person be with whatever he has, until one day it dawns on him. > > It’s everyone’s own task to learn to discern the lie and the fact. And that again comes from “experience”, and without experiencing deception - how would one learn? Not everyone is born a truth seer. > > Well imho… (my subjective opinion that is not be forced upon anyone). Is that Billy is not being honest. Probably has a beautiful imagination and would have made a wonderful science fiction writer. What made me make the opinion? ---- It’s the ego that is evident (we all have one). It’s the attraction to fame and attention, plus inconsistent messages of higher spirituality yet the loving vibration is not there. And exclusivity claims. And plus this site with according information. > > [http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/](http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/) > Particularly this and this. > [http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/asket\_nera\_deconstruction.html](http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/asket_nera_deconstruction.html) > [http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/dinosaur\_deconstruction.html](http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/dinosaur_deconstruction.html) > > Although there are justifications that all those were faked by “MIB”. Which then makes it seem like MIB are only after Billy and no-one else who also had encounters. Unless ALL else who had encounters are fakes and not real - then Billy is the only one. That makes him again, exclusive. No offense newinitiation, this is just my subjective opinion - not aggressive towards yourself or Billy. My opinion is subjective, limited from what I gathered. I don’t hold the absolute truth. > > Nevertheless, it’s pointless to argue or prove anything in this ideology matter. Since it is the persons life and path to choose and experience whatever is there. Let it be. > > And finally, if you don’t believe in Billy’s case - Why are you spending time on this forum arguing? Over something you don’t believe? Isn’t that an obstacle? Perhaps you could be doing something more constructive now? :)[/INDENT][/INDENT] Thank you once again for your views given in honesty Even if you aren’t convinced on the authenticity of the Billy Meier case I am profoundly impressed with the level of maturity you have displayed here which is very rare nowadays. Now with the issue of proselytizing, I am not here to do such a thing even if it may appear at the outset to be contradictory. My interest is in telling it like it is about the Billy meier case for the truth that it is without imposing it upon anybody else as in the end every human being can only convince himself of the truth and nobody else can do it for him. My actions on this forum should not be misconstrued by anyone as me trying to convince anybody of anything nor am I pushing it down people’s throats just because i support Billy Meier and state facts about the case There are so much lies being bandied about here and I feel that it necessitates a direct intervention to balance out the negatives by telling it like it is. I knew even before I started participating on this forum what the proverbial response was going to be but my message isn’t for those who have already made up their minds. By the response I have gotten so far which I didn’t expect any different, the status quo will remain for some time. The important thing is that the the Billy Meier’s contact with ET case will speaks for itself in due time when people are mature enough to actually do their honest investigation of the study and not becaue I said so. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/987 "2013-10-06T06:52:46Z")
Gee, you’re improving. Only 14 straight posts, this time. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/988 "2013-10-06T06:53:26Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > In the OP and Herr Meier’s defense, I don’t believe [these are photos of the same woman.](http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/meier-asket.jpg) They are lovely and have similar haircuts, but at that time, in suburban Chicago, not the Pleiades, most of the girls I knew were working on that same straight, blonde hair, Swedish bikini model look, with varying degrees of success. At last one other sensible person has come to the fore. Totally unexpected ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/989 "2013-10-06T06:54:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Scroll to the top of the page. Check out what if says in the banner right under the words “THE STRAIGHT DOPE”. Geezz but the irony of it all ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/990 "2013-10-06T06:56:43Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Thank you! I was all but certain this was the case, but wanted a cite one way or the other. Cool job, by the way! But this doesn’t state in no way why it isn’t impossible for a volcanic eruption of Mt Vesuvius to either go off due to an earthquake in Rome or alternatively to set off the earthquake after an eruption. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/991 "2013-10-06T06:58:36Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Of course, not. Like a master carpet weaver, I insist on making one error each year in order to maintain my humility. > Usually. > Actually, I do make errors, but Ihave made far fewer in this thread than the hoaxers you keep citing who have made so many mistakes about history, language, scripture, and science, even beyond their deliberate lies, that they can only decceive people who have NO education in ANY of those fields. But you haven’t even read much of the material beyond a couple of pages so how the heck do you get off on this assumption ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/992 "2013-10-06T08:28:35Z")
We gave it to you. I’m beginning to suspect you weren’t really sincere in considering our feedback, and I’m hurt. In any case, the verdict here on the Dope appears to be “Utter Bullshit”. Case now closed. You requested a verdict. Accept the verdict you requested. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/993 "2013-10-06T12:51:11Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I am not and I mean if you read between the lines, what you wrote above is exactly what I was referring to Smeghead. > > For once we agree on one thing > > The Jews does not necessarily have to be a Zionist nor an Isrealite nor a Habraon OK > > There are even Jewish people who oppose the Zionist Isrealites and non Israelites alike and likewise just because you are a Zionist doesn’t mean that you are a Jew :smack: :smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack: ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/994 "2013-10-06T13:05:47Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Some will obviously come to pass way before 2029 and you won’t be left waiting for too long You ain’t gonna need your teeth, won’t need your eyes. You won’t find a thing to chew. Nobody’s gonna look at you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/995 "2013-10-06T13:10:47Z")
Wait just a minute. > [@newinitiation](#): > > Look it was many many years ago that I came across it and don’t have the files with me to provide them for you right now not to mention having to go through the mountains of documents to extract it. > > You will have to refine your search of that document from Dr Greer’s website Many years ago that _you_ came across it? _You_ have access to mountains of documents? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/996 "2013-10-06T13:17:28Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Not only will this make mute, the point that needs to be delivered, but it’ll detract from accuracy because of over simplicity. Once again, that’s “moot,” as was pointed out in post #963. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/997 "2013-10-06T13:20:11Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Like I said only if you dealt with the material instead of ranting and raving aganist something that you have never done a decent research on. > > In the court of law you won’t even make it past the front door with that kind of sloppy approach. > > This is where you people go wrong. Good thing I am not a lawyer then. All I can handle is physically verifiable objective reality, not legal argumentation. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/998 "2013-10-06T13:26:13Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Then you would know very well how a volcano with its chamber connected to the city over 100 miles away will do to the city above it when it sets off an earthquake. Well, yes, it’s like asking what happens when the unicorns living in Buckingham Palace decide to come out to play. The problem isn’t deciding what games they play. The problem is supposing they exist in the first place. Likewise, supposing this magma chamber exists at all is quite laughable. Besides, where is such a magma chamber? Because there certainly isn’t one under Rome, as our measurements can confirm. I’ll note you haven’t bothered to address the actual point - the existence of a magma chamber - and have chosen to employ a distraction. So, can you please address the fundamental point: are these supposed aliens wrong? Or is there some other seemingly rational explanation for their inexplicable decision to state unequivocally that not only does such a magma exist but also their snarky declaration that scientists are simply incapable of detecting it? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/999 "2013-10-06T13:34:00Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > But you know nothing about the Meier case nor have you read anything beyond a cursory glance. > > There are so many aspects to the Meier case than this letter"J" used to spell Jmmanuel’s name which you are so obssessively fixated on You are not paying attention. I m not “fixated” on the letter J; it is simply the first bit of evidence in this thread in which I have particular knowledge to bring to the discussion. You want me to invest time and energy reading all this wondrous stuff. Yet, as soon as I begin to read it, I find it promoting a falsehood. It really does not matter if is false because the author is an idiot or because the author is a liar. If what he publishes is false, I have no reason to believe any other crap he claims. Now, we are beginning to see other texts on areas where I have knowledge and instead of stupid and easily avoided errors about language, I am finding stupid and deliberate lies. Telling me that Meier has been given some great truth to revea is silly when he is wrong for every “fact” he claims that I already know. If someone tried to sell you a prophecy that began by talking about pink oceans and how the noses on the Swiss were on the backs of their heads, would you believe that person because they claimed tohave some “Trruth” or dismiss them as a crackpot or a liar? When Meier makes stupid mistakes (or lies) about language or records “interviews” with "ET"s that lie about history, I have no interest in seeing how many more “mistakes” or lies he has published. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1000 "2013-10-06T14:05:07Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > We gave it to you. I’m beginning to suspect you weren’t really sincere in considering our feedback, and I’m hurt. In any case, the verdict here on the Dope appears to be “Utter Bullshit”. > Case now closed. You requested a verdict. Accept the verdict you requested. To be fair, newinitiation didn’t post the OP, **TheBodhi** did, and now has disappeared. Newinitiation has bravely grasped the falling banner and thrust it forward… …into a tree. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=51)