# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1041 "2013-10-08T00:09:05Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Meier is no slouch when it come to defending himself. He used to round up mass murders and serial killers in his younger days. His “fluidal” aka non material consciousness warns him of threats. Also the ET’s assist him with robots and such. Meier had a dream warning him of an attack. So he put a steel shield where the bullet would strike. He has the steal plate now dented with a bullet mark. The CIA and moo sad are now neutral toward Billy. Any relation to Brian Boitano? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1042 "2013-10-08T00:15:00Z")
[It’s a damn petition.](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition) And it’s funny as hell. Nothing about aliens doing it. They want to see the world population reduced to 529,000,000. Even funnier, the ETs say in 1998, the world pop. was 6.5 million while FIGU’s chart shows 430 million. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1043 "2013-10-08T00:25:51Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Meier is no slouch when it come to defending himself. He used to round up mass murders and serial killers in his younger days. His “fluidal” aka non material consciousness warns him of threats. Also the ET’s assist him with robots and such. Meier had a dream warning him of an attack. So he put a steel shield where the bullet would strike. He has the steal plate now dented with a bullet mark. The CIA and moo sad are now neutral toward Billy. He can perform photosynthesis. He invented wool. Doberman pinschers consider him their god. Mosquitoes don’t bite him out of respect. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1044 "2013-10-08T00:38:20Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > [It’s a damn petition.](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition) And it’s funny as hell. Nothing about aliens doing it. > > They want to see the world population reduced to 529,000,000. > > Even funnier, the ETs say in 1998, the world pop. was 6.5 million while FIGU’s chart shows 430 million. Ever try to get a census done when you’re a door-to-door alien? People just won’t stop screaming long enough to fill out the damn form. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1045 "2013-10-08T00:41:51Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > We would all simply stop having sex for 7 years. > Hey, it works on Plejaria. That’s the easy part. The tough part is getting everyone’s Pon Farr cycle synched up. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1046 "2013-10-08T01:11:58Z")
Oh please don’t say that **newinitiation** has gone away. This has got to be the most hilarious thread I have ever read and I need my daily **newinitiation** fix. 🙂 How most of you respond to **newinitiation** without having fits of explosive, convulsive laughter is beyond my ability to comprehend. The guy has answers for everything, most of them wrong, not to mention illogical, yet he keeps going. It’s amazing! 🙂 I almost blew a gasket when he tossed in the magma chamber beneath the Vatican. 😃 I don’t believe for one second that it is possible for **newinitiation** to be as credulous as he pretends to be, but I’m torn between wanting him to come clean and keeping up the charade. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1047 "2013-10-08T01:19:01Z")
He’s not credulous, his consciousness is just more \*\*fluidinal \*\*than yours. My brain’s more fluid than your brain My brain’s more fluid than yours… He’s a Billy Meier weiner! ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1048 "2013-10-08T01:19:57Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > . . . I almost blew a gasket when he tossed in the magma chamber beneath the Vatican. . . . That was one of the few things he said I was willing to ask further about, because, well, it isn’t impossible, is it? Italy is volcanically active. At least it isn’t offensive. Heck, how many magma chambers are there that are known? Wikipedia doesn’t quite say. Now, the Mossad assassination attempts, the 2,000 year old parchment preserved in resin, the spurious translations, and the whole letter J thing – and the photographs! Those luscious luscious photographs! Well, there aren’t enough gaskets in the world! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1049 "2013-10-08T01:22:15Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Oh please don’t say that **newinitiation** has gone away. This has got to be the most hilarious thread I have ever read and I need my daily **newinitiation** fix. 🙂 > > How most of you respond to **newinitiation** without having fits of explosive, convulsive laughter is beyond my ability to comprehend. The guy has answers for everything, most of them wrong, not to mention illogical, yet he keeps going. It’s amazing! 🙂 > > I almost blew a gasket when he tossed in the magma chamber beneath the Vatican. 😃 > > I don’t believe for one second that it is possible for **newinitiation** to be as credulous as he pretends to be, but I’m torn between wanting him to come clean and keeping up the charade. 🙂 He was last here just after 10 yesterday morning but he didn’t contribute like he usually does. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1050 "2013-10-08T01:45:45Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > The ET’s who figured it out are no dummies. Judging by the evidence presented in this thread, then, they are totally different from the ETs that have been cited, so far. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1051 "2013-10-08T01:57:25Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > He was last here just after 10 yesterday morning but he didn’t contribute like he usually does. It wasn’t his turn to post. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1052 "2013-10-08T02:51:15Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Meier is no slouch when it come to defending himself. He used to round up mass murders and serial killers in his younger days. His “fluidal” aka non material consciousness warns him of threats. Also the ET’s assist him with robots and such. Meier had a dream warning him of an attack. So he put a steel shield where the bullet would strike. He has the steal plate now dented with a bullet mark. The CIA and moo sad are now neutral toward Billy. Reminds me of a certain highly talented North Korean dictator, who invented fire, then the wheel, then movies about fire and wheels. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1053 "2013-10-08T02:53:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It wasn’t his turn to post. Yes it was. We had all sorts of stuff he could reject. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1054 "2013-10-08T03:28:20Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Yes it was. We had all sorts of stuff he could reject. I meant among the Billy groupies. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1055 "2013-10-08T05:29:00Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > We gave it to you. I’m beginning to suspect you weren’t really sincere in considering our feedback, and I’m hurt. In any case, the verdict here on the Dope appears to be “Utter Bullshit”. > Case now closed. You requested a verdict. Accept the verdict you requested. if this post is directed at me then I didn’t ask for it, so what gives? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1056 "2013-10-08T05:31:21Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > You ain’t gonna need your teeth, won’t need your eyes. You won’t find a thing to chew. Nobody’s gonna look at you. No shit Sherlock I wasn’t here for any attention but to bring attention to the Meier case ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1057 "2013-10-08T05:33:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Wait just a minute. > Many years ago that _you_ came across it? _You_ have access to mountains of documents? I didn’t refer to the FOI declassified government documents on MIB mixed in among many other files I possess which I don’t have access to at the moment ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1058 "2013-10-08T05:34:47Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Good thing I am not a lawyer then. All I can handle is physically verifiable objective reality, not legal argumentation. Thats why I have provided you with plenty of it. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1059 "2013-10-08T05:37:06Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Well, yes, it’s like asking what happens when the unicorns living in Buckingham Palace decide to come out to play. The problem isn’t deciding what games they play. The problem is supposing they exist in the first place. Likewise, supposing this magma chamber exists at all is quite laughable. > > Besides, where is such a magma chamber? Because there certainly isn’t one under Rome, as our measurements can confirm. > > I’ll note you haven’t bothered to address the actual point - the existence of a magma chamber - and have chosen to employ a distraction. > > So, can you please address the fundamental point: are these supposed aliens wrong? Or is there some other seemingly rational explanation for their inexplicable decision to state unequivocally that not only does such a magma exist but also their snarky declaration that scientists are simply incapable of detecting it? You are comapring apples to oranges see this [http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110511/full/473140a.html](http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110511/full/473140a.html) ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1060 "2013-10-08T05:39:10Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You are not paying attention. I m not “fixated” on the letter J; it is simply the first bit of evidence in this thread in which I have particular knowledge to bring to the discussion. > > You want me to invest time and energy reading all this wondrous stuff. Yet, as soon as I begin to read it, I find it promoting a falsehood. It really does not matter if is false because the author is an idiot or because the author is a liar. If what he publishes is false, I have no reason to believe any other crap he claims. Now, we are beginning to see other texts on areas where I have knowledge and instead of stupid and easily avoided errors about language, I am finding stupid and deliberate lies. Telling me that Meier has been given some great truth to revea is silly when he is wrong for every “fact” he claims that I already know. > If someone tried to sell you a prophecy that began by talking about pink oceans and how the noses on the Swiss were on the backs of their heads, would you believe that person because they claimed tohave some “Trruth” or dismiss them as a crackpot or a liar? When Meier makes stupid mistakes (or lies) about language or records “interviews” with "ET"s that lie about history, I have no interest in seeing how many more “mistakes” or lies he has published. What falsehood!? Prove that it is by the route of scientific methodology and standards by which the Meier case was investigated with. The burden of prooof lies with you as you have made a direct claim that meier was a fraud [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=54)