# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1101 "2013-10-08T07:12:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > We did that pages ago-He’s a bull goose loony that needs to keep his ego fed by making up poorly thought out stories to sell to the gullible. No one, bar none, can make up such an elaborate story, be he a genius ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1102 "2013-10-08T07:13:58Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Sometimes literally. Don’t some of those links only advertize materiel that needs to be purchased? So much is offered for free but this goes to show how unsubstatiated your accusation of Billy Meier is ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1103 "2013-10-08T07:16:24Z")
A Delightful Encounter with Two…Skeptics > **[They Fly Blog & News](https://theyflyblog.com/)** > > The Billy Meier UFO Contacts - Singularly Authentic - Ongoing for 80 Years - The Key to Our Future Survival » Prophecies & Predictions, Overpopulation, UFOs You people could learn a thing or two from this ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1104 "2013-10-08T07:34:53Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > So much is offered for free but this goes to show how unsubstatiated your accusation of Billy Meier is Well, this [link of yours](http://www.theyfly.com/preliminary_investigaton.html) has a $25.00 list price for the **Preliminary Investigation Report** by Wendelle Stevens and a “Add to Cart” button on it. How is that an “unsubstatiated” accusation? ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1105 "2013-10-08T07:38:42Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I am filling in the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle for you people seeing as a direct answer to the query is rejected vehemently out of hand. It seems to me that it is you who is rejecting, out of hand, the responses from those who are very knowledgable in subject matter that you are obviously not. You should expect to be called on statements you make here when there are experts in this thread, such as **tomndebb** , **Great Antibob** , and **Alessan** , among others, who know that what you’re stating is either fabricated or misinterpreted. I can’t tell if you are having a go at all of us. I suspect you are, and that’s fine; I am getting quite a kick out of it after all. > [@newinitiation](#): > > Anyway the links I’ve provided are all related > > Its up to you to extrapolate from the content to the links I have furnished and to draw your own conclusions. No it isn’t. If you’re going to provide links to sources (cites), then the content in those links should provide proof for your assertions, not muddy the topic even further. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1106 "2013-10-08T07:40:01Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > No one, bar none, can make up such an elaborate story, be he a genius Oh, please. Robert Anton Wilson could easily write a better conspiracy, and he’s _dead_. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1107 "2013-10-08T08:13:33Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > A Delightful Encounter with Two…Skeptics > > [http://theyflyblog.com/](http://theyflyblog.com/) > > You people could learn a thing or two from this Hey! I did learn something from this link. According to this comment, if you’re skeptical, you have a dopamine deficiency and a “mental illness or personality disorder”. > [@](#): > > Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer says: > October 4, 2013 at 8:20 pm > > To me, skepticism is a very dangerous psychological disorder. I have always disagreed with the phrase “healthy skepticism”. > > A skeptic is one who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or conclusions. It’s a person who habitually questions the validity, authenticity, or truth of something that very well could be factual, in most cases without doing a personal investigation into the matter. > > A person who maintains a doubting attitude will miss out on much truth. > > For example, I have never met a person who has done a serious study/investigation of astrology and has not come away from it convinced of it validity and correct value. But a “skeptic” will believe all of the nonsense that’s taught in religions and “scientific circles” concerning astrology and doubt its validity. This is unfortunate and a huge mistake. > > When it comes to the Meier material, I have met more skeptics (probably 20 to 1) than people who would look into it. > > This is a serious issue I have been thinking about for many years. Recently, there has been some scientific research that proves that skeptics are deficient in dopamine – a monoamine neurotransmitter formed in the brain by the decarboxylation of dopa and essential to the normal functioning of the central nervous system. A reduction in its concentration within the brain is associated with Parkinson’s disease. > > Skeptics do not see patterns that actually exist. In a way, the world is like a digitized computer program, there are no variables unless programmed in by the computer. Actual evidence to the contrary does not deter these skeptics from their brainwashed, mind-controlled, vanilla, bland, world view. In my opinion, skepticism should be classified as a mental illness or personality disorder. Oh, my stars! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1108 "2013-10-08T09:14:59Z")
Far be it for us to question the authority of a “professional astrologer”. The man’s a professional! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1109 "2013-10-08T10:09:46Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > The burden of prooof lies with you as you have made a direct claim that meier was a fraud This is not accurate. I have noted that he might be a liar or he might be an idiot. (I don’t recall actually calling him a fraud.) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1110 "2013-10-08T10:15:08Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > How the heck would Tomndebb know anything about the ancient Lyrian language? I don’t need to. The claim was that the letter J appeared in the Talmud Jmmanuel, a claim that is impossible. Nothing that mystic7 has provided contradicts that fact; the claim is false. You have provided nothing to support the claim except silly whining that I have not read the rest of the documents–when all the other references to the documents have been silly nonsense. _::: shrug :::_ ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1111 "2013-10-08T10:19:08Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Reeeeeaaaaalllllllyyyyyy > > Then what do these words mean? > > Absolutes Absolutum > > Bewusstseinsblock-Programme > > Lebensenergie, kosmisch-elektromagnetische > > Schöpfungsform > > schöpferisch > > Gedankenschöpfungen > > Geistbereich > > Geistenergiewesenheit > > Gemüt absolute absolutum Consciousness block programs Life energy, cosmic-electromagnetic creation form creative thoughts creations spirit area Spirit energy entity feeling = = = = Boy, was **that** difficult. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1112 "2013-10-08T10:28:18Z")
I, for one, need to thank our new Meierite contacts, as previously I had dismissed him as a harmless crank with pin-up pictures of space babes. Now I know he is a paranoid crank who regurgitates standard Middle-European antisemitism and other bigotries. Instead of being bemused I am now obligated to oppose his work, which has passed from simple balderdash to an attempt to be “The Protocols from Space.” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1113 "2013-10-08T10:30:33Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Hostile Attitude toward Jews and Homosexuals > > [The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - FIGU Bulletin 002](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_002#Hostile_Attitude_toward_Jews_and_Homosexuals) I made no observations about the Talmud Jmmanuel in regard to Jews. I noted that the separate claims that were supposed to have been from your "ET"s regarding imaginary ancient Israelis begin a criminal gang that survived to the current day were being discussed in the way that people slander the Jews and that your later claims that those same criminal “Israelis” founded Israel were lies. Posting a “defense” that dances around the topic, claiming no hatred against a people while repeating lies about them does not make your case. > [@](#): > > To begin with, the Talmud Jmmanuel certainly contains no hostile material against Jews, for the book represents nothing more than a chronological depiction of the spiritual teachings and past events from the period in Palestine, some 2000 years ago, when Jmmanuel was persecuted, imprisoned, innocently sentenced and nailed to a y-shaped cross by the Romans with the help of Jews. From the Jewish viewpoint, however, this fact has been vehemently denied since then – and the identical denials remain in place today through conservative, indeed fundamentalist, Jewish control powers. This group, through every means possible, would like to see the suppression of all facts surrounding Jmmanuel, in the hope that they might be forgotten; and for this reason are attempts made to portray the Talmud Jmmanuel as anti-semitic, hence hostile against Jews, although it is nothing of the sort There has never been any effort by the Jewish people to suppress any information. Where is the evidence that they ever tried to suppress information about the imaginary Jmmanuel? There are disagreements as to the details of the crucifixion of Jesus as described in the Christian Gospels, (disagreements that Christian scholars take under consideration when discussing that event), but there is no suppression of tales on the invented Jmmanuel. Point to the historical record where that has happened. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1114 "2013-10-08T10:40:34Z")
OK. I was going to respond to a couple more silly posts in the dismissive manner that they have earned. However, reading through the last couple of pages at one time and noting that you never actually answer questions, yourself, other than to be insulting, and that you frequently respond by posting nothing but links to more bullshit–and even re-posting the same links to bullshit that has already been disproved, I am going to have to conclude that you are trolling. (It is often difficult to distinguish between a True Believer with limited capacity for discussion and a troll and we try to give the benefit of the doubt to those who are challenged, but you are strongly pushing the view toward troll.) Either put forth a rational discussion of your own without repeating the nonsense links, or stop posting on this topic. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1115 "2013-10-08T14:16:26Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > absolute absolutum > > Consciousness block programs > > Life energy, cosmic-electromagnetic > > creation form > > creative > > thoughts creations > > spirit area > > Spirit energy entity > > feeling > > = = = = > Boy, was **that** difficult. Thanks **tomndebb** for sparing me the little effort of translation. But then I’m a native German speaker, so I possibly would have screwed it because of my deteriorated High German. 😉 Anyway, words like “Bewusstseinsblock-Programme” or “Geistenergiewesenheit” don’t make sense in any language. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1116 "2013-10-08T14:24:56Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I haven’t disappeared but hey thanks for missing me > > Don’t I simply make your day:p I didn’t say that I missed you. I did miss you, though. I love threads with cranks. I’ll miss you even more when you’re gone for good. However, for what it is worth, and in the interest of fairness, I was trying to point out the fact that you had not started the thread, and not asked for a ‘verdict’ on Billy, so comments directed at you in response to the title and opening post were not appropriate. You should really read more carefully. > [@newinitiation](#): > > What if what he knows isn’t all that there is. > > How the heck would Tomndebb know anything about the ancient Lyrian language? **tomndebb** knows a lot about real languages. I don’t think he’s ever claimed to be an expert on baloney languages, gibberish languages or pseudo-scientific languages. Based on the amount of time he’s spent on threads like this, he probably is becoming an expert on baloney languages despite himself. > [@newinitiation](#): > > That’s a shoddy work of the most amateurish pile of shitty pseudo investigative work I have ever seen. Yes, and it does replicate Billy’s amateurish pile of shit very well. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > What do you do for a living-collect wackos? Unlike butterflies, wackos are harder to pin down. > [@tomndebb](#): > > This is not accurate. > I have noted that he might be a liar or he might be an idiot. > (I don’t recall actually calling him a fraud.) I think fraud is the only reasonable conclusion for those ‘saucers in the trees’ photos. I’m willing to call him a fraud. He’s a fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1117 "2013-10-08T15:57:37Z")
I’m always impressed by how SD members are willing to try and help educate people about proof, logic, science and reason etc. Even in conditions like this thread. (I get too mad at these kinds of folks, and would get banned)🆒 So Bravo to you peoples!! Even if some of you ARe aliens!!:eek: ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1118 "2013-10-08T20:23:08Z")
> [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](#): > > I’m always impressed by how SD members are willing to try and help educate people about proof, logic, science and reason etc. Even in conditions like this thread. > (I get too mad at these kinds of folks, and would get banned)🆒 > > So Bravo to you peoples!! Even if some of you ARe aliens!!:eek: We are from France. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1119 "2013-10-08T22:22:30Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > We are from France. I hope you have your green card or naturalization papers. I would hate for some poster to think you weref an alien and begin bugging you with questions about “Lyrian” grammar and orthography. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1120 "2013-10-08T22:46:04Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > We are from France. Are you claiming the Lyrians are secretly Coneheads in disguise? Clearly, they’re more than meets the eye. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=57)