# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1121 "2013-10-08T23:23:38Z")
Only a true moron would tell us to use scientific thinking to examine his position and facts after posting the following: “…that he will only accept as true that which he can touch with his hands and that he can see with his eyes and that he can hear with his ears. But this is the false, purely material way, which mocks and scorns any effort of self-thinking, self-feeling, self-searching, self-seeking and self-recognition of every solution and truth. Therefore through this, the way to the searching for the truth, and the finding of the truth, is not provided. And so, through the JHWH and the Prophets, no signs, or only sparse signs, should be given, that testify to the truth. The word of truth is given, and this is wholly sufficient to reveal the teaching of the truth for any who are willing to make and to bear the effort of learning through their own power…” Clearly you have **no** respect for facts or any sort of objective reality. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1122 "2013-10-09T00:52:32Z")
Another reason the ET’s don’t make direct contact with ordinary earth humans— the earth humans give off a sort of “psychic stench”. If the ET’s stay too close too long it will have some sort of toxic effect on them. And the reverse is also the case-- earth humans would be overwhelmed by the ET’s fluidal energies. By the way, you can have all of the consensual sex you want in the birth stop plan as long as it doesn’t’ result in an unlawful pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1123 "2013-10-09T01:26:41Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > earth humans would be overwhelmed by the ET’s fluidal energies. Kinky! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1124 "2013-10-09T01:50:05Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Another reason the ET’s don’t make direct contact with ordinary earth humans— the earth humans give off a sort of “psychic stench”. If the ET’s stay too close too long it will have some sort of toxic effect on them. And the reverse is also the case-- earth humans would be overwhelmed by the ET’s fluidal energies. > > By the way, you can have all of the consensual sex you want in the birth stop plan as long as it doesn’t’ result in an unlawful pregnancy. So tell 'em to stand downwind. So when does this 7 year plan start and what will they do about “unlawful” pregnancies? ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1125 "2013-10-09T03:06:03Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > OK. > > I was going to respond to a couple more silly posts in the dismissive manner that they have earned. > > However, reading through the last couple of pages at one time and noting that you never actually answer questions, yourself, other than to be insulting, and that you frequently respond by posting nothing but links to more bullshit–and even re-posting the same links to bullshit that has already been disproved, I am going to have to conclude that you are trolling. > \*\*\*(It is often difficult to distinguish between a True Believer with limited capacity for discussion and a troll and we try to give the benefit of the doubt to those who are challenged, but you are strongly pushing the view toward troll.) > > Either put forth a rational discussion of your own without repeating the nonsense links, or stop posting on this topic.\*\*\* > > [/Moderating] (bolding mine) [Hear, hear!](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1489/why-do-people-say-hear-hear) > [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > I didn’t say that I missed you. I did miss you, though. I love threads with cranks. I’ll miss you even more when you’re gone for good. > > However, for what it is worth, and in the interest of fairness, I was trying to point out the fact that you had not started the thread, and not asked for a ‘verdict’ on Billy, so comments directed at you in response to the title and opening post were not appropriate. You should really read more carefully. > > **tomndebb** knows a lot about real languages. I don’t think he’s ever claimed to be an expert on baloney languages, gibberish languages or pseudo-scientific languages. Based on the amount of time he’s spent on threads like this, he probably is becoming an expert on baloney languages despite himself. > > Yes, and it does replicate Billy’s amateurish pile of shit very well. > > Unlike butterflies, wackos are harder to pin down. > > _ **I think fraud is the only reasonable conclusion for those ‘saucers in the trees’ photos. I’m willing to call him a fraud. He’s a fraud** _. (bolding mine) Seconded! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1126 "2013-10-09T03:52:13Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Only a true moron would tell us to use scientific thinking to examine his position and facts after posting the following: Direct insults are forbidden in Great Debates, even if they are (rather thinly) cloaked as commentary on an argument. Do not do this again. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1127 "2013-10-09T03:56:04Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Another reason the ET’s don’t make direct contact with ordinary earth humans— the earth humans give off a sort of “psychic stench”. If the ET’s stay too close too long it will have some sort of toxic effect on them. . . . “Filth” from Cosmic Encounter! “Drives away others’ ships. ‘You have the power to reek.’” One of my very favorite powers! (Combines wonderfully with “Sniveler.”) (“Why won’t anyone be nice to me?” FAARRRRTTTTTTT.) A classic! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1128 "2013-10-09T04:07:26Z")
I once read somewhere that people are incapable of creating gods that are better than themselves. Apparently this applies to aliens, too. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1129 "2013-10-09T04:09:47Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Direct insults are forbidden in Great Debates, even if they are (rather thinly) cloaked as commentary on an argument. > > Do not do this again. > > [/Moderating] I am truly sorry and apologize. I literally forgot where I was. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1130 "2013-10-09T04:50:46Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Well, this [link of yours](http://www.theyfly.com/preliminary_investigaton.html) has a $25.00 list price for the **Preliminary Investigation Report** by Wendelle Stevens and a “Add to Cart” button on it. How is that an “unsubstatiated” accusation? You can readily see which topics are covered just by looking at this website [http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy\_Meier/Preliminary\_Investigation\_Report](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Preliminary_Investigation_Report) ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1131 "2013-10-09T04:52:26Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Oh, please. Robert Anton Wilson could easily write a better conspiracy, and he’s _dead_. That proves nothing and BTW what conspiracy has this satanist write? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1132 "2013-10-09T04:54:43Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Hey! I did learn something from this link. According to this comment, if you’re skeptical, you have a dopamine deficiency and a “mental illness or personality disorder”. > > Oh, my stars! Well it says it all doesn’t it The skeptics must suffer from some type of disorder for them to exhibit such a strange behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1133 "2013-10-09T04:59:41Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > This is not accurate. > I have noted that he might be a liar or he might be an idiot. > (I don’t recall actually calling him a fraud.) Now you see, this wriggling your way out of “what you say is true but I will not allow you the satisfaction of calling it like it is to make me look like a fool” If you are calling Billy a liar, what else would this word imply but to input him as a fraud. Do you understand what I am getting at? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1134 "2013-10-09T05:00:32Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > That proves nothing and BTW what conspiracy has this satanist write? If I might ask, what is your primary language? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1135 "2013-10-09T05:05:47Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > I didn’t say that I missed you. I did miss you, though. I love threads with cranks. I’ll miss you even more when you’re gone for good. > > However, for what it is worth, and in the interest of fairness, I was trying to point out the fact that you had not started the thread, and not asked for a ‘verdict’ on Billy, so comments directed at you in response to the title and opening post were not appropriate. You should really read more carefully. > > **tomndebb** knows a lot about real languages. I don’t think he’s ever claimed to be an expert on baloney languages, gibberish languages or pseudo-scientific languages. Based on the amount of time he’s spent on threads like this, he probably is becoming an expert on baloney languages despite himself. > > Yes, and it does replicate Billy’s amateurish pile of shit very well. > > Unlike butterflies, wackos are harder to pin down. > > I think fraud is the only reasonable conclusion for those ‘saucers in the trees’ photos. I’m willing to call him a fraud. He’s a fraud. Its kinda gives me a wicked satisfaction of knowing that you people are digging deeper into a self created hole of ad absurdum the more you oppose the Billy Meier case which one day you will but be forced to eat every word of. You people need to unveil the thick crusty veil off of your eyes as your eyes are deceiving your brain that does not think. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1136 "2013-10-09T05:06:13Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > You can readily see which topics are covered just by looking at this website > > [The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - Summary of Contents for Stevens' Preliminary Investigation Report, Internet, January 2003](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Preliminary_Investigation_Report) The whole point of linking to a cite is so others can go and read the whole thing. For free. Have you noticed that all the links we give you are the complete article and they don’t cost a penny? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1137 "2013-10-09T05:11:20Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I don’t need to. > The claim was that the letter J appeared in the Talmud Jmmanuel, a claim that is impossible. > Nothing that mystic7 has provided contradicts that fact; the claim is false. > You have provided nothing to support the claim except silly whining that I have not read the rest of the documents–when all the other references to the documents have been silly nonsense. > _::: shrug :::_ Bullshit! How arrogant to suggest that you are impervious to error when you, as well as I, know far less about anything than we know about something. Just because you deem the Billy Meier case silly nonsense doesn’t make it any more untrue. I mean you’ve got to get this into your head OK? and sooner the better because what is true and truthful cannot be made untrue or untruthful just because people say so. The truth does not move here and there by the whims of people’s fickle emotions and wishful thinking but rather we are subjected to its invisible forces that we can never escape from ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1138 "2013-10-09T05:12:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > absolute absolutum > > Consciousness block programs > > Life energy, cosmic-electromagnetic > > creation form > > creative > > thoughts creations > > spirit area > > Spirit energy entity > > feeling > > = = = = > Boy, was **that** difficult. I didn’t ask for a fucking translation of these words, read my lips, I asked what do these words mean, got it? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1139 "2013-10-09T05:14:43Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Thanks **tomndebb** for sparing me the little effort of translation. But then I’m a native German speaker, so I possibly would have screwed it because of my deteriorated High German. 😉 > > Anyway, words like “Bewusstseinsblock-Programme” or “Geistenergiewesenheit” don’t make sense in any language. Geezzz I mean in all seriousness, a person who purports himself to be highly knowledgeable in high German and a native speaker has to rely on the translation efforts of someone who doesn’t, gosh it doesn’t get any better than this does it, for crying out loud:smack: ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1140 "2013-10-09T05:15:53Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I hope you have your green card or naturalization papers. I would hate for some poster to think you weref an alien and begin bugging you with questions about “Lyrian” grammar and orthography. See my previous response above above [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=58)