# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1141 "2013-10-09T05:16:03Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > I didn’t ask for a fucking translation of these words, read my lips, I asked what do these words mean, got it? What did you expect to get? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1142 "2013-10-09T05:17:23Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Geezzz I mean in all seriousness, a person who purports himself to be highly knowledgeable in high German and a native speaker has to rely on the translation efforts of someone who doesn’t, gosh it doesn’t get any better than this does it, for crying out loud:smack: He was confirming the translations were correct. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1143 "2013-10-09T05:26:38Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Only a true moron would tell us to use scientific thinking to examine his position and facts after posting the following: > “…that he will only accept as true that which he can touch with his hands and that he can see with his eyes and that he can hear with his ears. But this is the false, purely material way, which mocks and scorns any effort of self-thinking, self-feeling, self-searching, self-seeking and self-recognition of every solution and truth. Therefore through this, the way to the searching for the truth, and the finding of the truth, is not provided. And so, through the JHWH and the Prophets, no signs, or only sparse signs, should be given, that testify to the truth. The word of truth is given, and this is wholly sufficient to reveal the teaching of the truth for any who are willing to make and to bear the effort of learning through their own power…” > Clearly you have **no** respect for facts or any sort of objective reality. > :smack: Bullfuck! How the fuck do you know if the oxygen that your body requires to stay alive exists if you can’t use your 5 senses alone to detect it if we simply rely on your premise of the argument. I mean you certainly can’t taste oxygen, nor grab a hold of it not to smell it nor to hear it and certainly not see it What this excerpt you quoted implies is that people must THINK for themselves, I mean truly verily and quite literally. There are so many aspects to reality that we cannot see, hear, touch, taste and smell but exists as undeniable fact. Scientific methodology tries to uncover that which we can’t detect with our 5 senses. People can’t see black holes even with the best of instruments available yet if you stated that it didn’t exist, you will certainly find yourself being witch hunted and figuratively burned at the stakes. So the premise of your argument is feeble and utterly poorly thought out. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1144 "2013-10-09T05:34:21Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > OK. > > I was going to respond to a couple more silly posts in the dismissive manner that they have earned. > > However, reading through the last couple of pages at one time and noting that you never actually answer questions, yourself, other than to be insulting, and that you frequently respond by posting nothing but links to more bullshit–and even re-posting the same links to bullshit that has already been disproved, I am going to have to conclude that you are trolling. > (It is often difficult to distinguish between a True Believer with limited capacity for discussion and a troll and we try to give the benefit of the doubt to those who are challenged, but you are strongly pushing the view toward troll.) > > Either put forth a rational discussion of your own without repeating the nonsense links, or stop posting on this topic. > > [/Moderating] Dogshit! I had no such intention and accusing me of trolling is bordering on offense against the very forum rules that you as a moderator is trying to uphold, so why the hypocrisy? The links that I have furnished are all relevant and accords with the discussion at hand and most answers are contained therein for the very queries that people throw at me. So what’s the point of regurgitating and rehashing from the articles to links I have provided when out of expediency people get direct to the point by reading the answers therein. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1145 "2013-10-09T05:35:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Kinky! Oh Really ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1146 "2013-10-09T05:36:03Z")
My, my, you’re getting testy. One of the basics of science is you discover something and you make the results available to everyone so it can be tested (and hopefully confirmed) by others. You publish in a reputable journal so the knowledge is disseminated. Otherwise it could be lost through carelessness. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1147 "2013-10-09T05:37:02Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Direct insults are forbidden in Great Debates, even if they are (rather thinly) cloaked as commentary on an argument. > > Do not do this again. > > [/Moderating] Well said and for once we agree on something ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1148 "2013-10-09T05:37:45Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Dogshit! > > I had no such intention and accusing me of trolling is bordering on offense against the very forum rules that you as a moderator is trying to uphold, so why the hypocrisy? > > The links that I have furnished are all relevant and accords with the discussion at hand and most answers are contained therein for the very queries that people throw at me. > > **So what’s the point of regurgitating and rehashing from the articles to links I have provided when out of expediency people get direct to the point by reading the answers therein.** Because you expect use to go through numerous pages when you could at least tell us the page it’s on and even quote a small part. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1149 "2013-10-09T05:39:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I once read somewhere that people are incapable of creating gods that are better than themselves. > Apparently this applies to aliens, too. The Gods that are referred to in the bible are these very ET human beings who had intervened in terrestrial affairs for a very long time throughout our human history on earth ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1150 "2013-10-09T05:40:03Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > I am truly sorry and apologize. I literally forgot where I was. You are forgiven ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1151 "2013-10-09T05:41:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If I might ask, what is your primary language? What, now you are going to correct my grammar usage just because I’ve made some mistakes to which you aren’t immune to. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1152 "2013-10-09T05:44:47Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > The whole point of linking to a cite is so others can go and read the whole thing. For free. > Have you noticed that all the links we give you are the complete article and they don’t cost a penny? Well if you paid any attention to what transpired here thus far and I need you to stay with me on this one Runnerpat, I DID provide many links to free and whole articles yet people couldn’t be fucked reading it, so your complaint is moot. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1153 "2013-10-09T05:51:02Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Well if you paid any attention to what transpired here thus far and I need you to stay with me on this one Runnerpat, I DID provide many links to free and whole articles yet people couldn’t be fucked reading it, so your complaint is moot. And many of your links were not free or were useless. Useless as in a chart with nothing but a 1 or 2 line summary of each chapter. Useless as in a 74 page PDF with no clue where the pertinent information was. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1154 "2013-10-09T06:02:44Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > absolute absolutum > > Consciousness block programs > > Life energy, cosmic-electromagnetic > > creation form > > creative > > thoughts creations > > spirit area > > Spirit energy entity > > feeling > > = = = = > Boy, was **that** difficult. schöpferisch is not creative Creative is Schaffende (Schöpfung) or alternatively its Erschaffende (Schöpfung) Gedankenschöpfungen is thought-creations not thoughts creations and yes an s does make a difference. Geistbereich is not spirit area but spirit-realm Geistenergiewesenheit is spirit-energy-wesenheit and wesenheit has no english equivalent. wesenheit- A Wesenheit is not a Wesen as such but an immaterial or material form of existence without a self-determining possibility of evolution whereby however this possibility can be given to a certain extent, such as with the Creation Universal Consciousness, certain energies, stones, water and gases etc. by Marianne Uehlinger Mondria Gemüt is Gemüt and there are no english equivalent on this one either. Gemüt- The spirit’s counterpart to the material body’s psyche. Good on ya, at least you’ve got some things right.😉 ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1155 "2013-10-09T06:03:44Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > What did you expect to get? Meaning of these words but maybe I’d expected too much ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1156 "2013-10-09T06:06:19Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Because you expect use to go through numerous pages when you could at least tell us the page it’s on and even quote a small part. Hey, its not as difficult as you make it sound as all people have to do is to read it thats all. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1157 "2013-10-09T06:10:44Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > And many of your links were not free or were useless. Useless as in a chart with nothing but a 1 or 2 line summary of each chapter. Useless as in a 74 page PDF with no clue where the pertinent information was. ok take for example this link [http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy\_Meier/Contact\_Report\_544](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544) where Billy and ET Plejaren Ptaah discuss the existence of 7 natural laws or forces of nature Our scientists only know 4 so far that is, the gravity, the electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces The article is free free free Its a whole article People have access to it 24/7 There is no charge. OK? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1158 "2013-10-09T06:15:34Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > ok take for example this link > > [The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - Contact Report 544](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544) > > where Billy and ET Plejaren Ptaah discuss the existence of 7 natural laws or forces of nature > > Our scientists only know 4 so far that is, the gravity, the electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces > > The article is free free free > > Its a whole article > > People have access to it 24/7 > > There is no charge. > > OK? From [that site.](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Important_Information_Regarding_Translations) > [@](#): > > Based on our own laborious and nerve-racking experience during the translation process of “Goblet of Truth” into English – for the first time carried out in co-operation with a professional translation company – **it was finally proven that it is impossible to translate our “Lehrschriften”[1] from the German original into other terrestrial languages in a comprehensively correct way and in accordance with the true meaning.** So all these translations you’ve been telling us to read are worthless. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1159 "2013-10-09T06:19:35Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Well it says it all doesn’t it > > The skeptics must suffer from some type of disorder for them to exhibit such a strange behaviour. I think your irony meter is on the fritz. (Is that really a German word; can someone translate what it _means_?) ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1160 "2013-10-09T06:23:52Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > From [that site.](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Important_Information_Regarding_Translations) > So all these translations you’ve been telling us to read are worthless. No, it just means that especially to do with the translation of the Creational spiritual teachings from German to English, the English language being such a deteriorated and poor language does not have the high German equivalent to accurately convey these German terms and so the teachings cannot be translated to its exact values. This is the reason why Billy stresses the importance of learning German as this language is considered the best language in the world and for people to rely on the original German text to learn. In regards to the translation of other texts, it is my own opinion that its OK. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=59)