# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/101 "2013-09-19T17:57:23Z")
[quote=“Gary “Wombat” Robson, post:90, topic:669000”] You missed the point. Billy Meier is offering science fiction, backed by no logic, ignoring the scientific method, and supported by no actual evidence. [/QUOTE] Only because you haven’t dealt with his material nor read upon what he has said ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/102 "2013-09-19T17:58:19Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Exapno in a court of law you must hear bth sides of the srgument before the judge rules either way but what have you read on Billy Meier for you to come to your conclusion? > > Could it be you prejudice? In a court of law Mr. Meier would be charged with falsifying evidence and wasting the court’s time. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/103 "2013-09-19T17:58:24Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > He posted a direct quote, in context, that supports his argument that this guy is a wingbat, a con artist, or both. Are you disputing that the quote is direct and in context? What is that direct quote or is it second hand? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/104 "2013-09-19T18:00:23Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > What is that direct quote or is it second hand? He quoted from the link _you_ provided, for ghod’s sake! ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/105 "2013-09-19T18:00:54Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > **newinitiation,** after examination by numerous parties here over many years, I think I can speak for most to say that Billy Meier is a delusional crank. A second opinion would be he is a raving lunatic with a wild imagination. Anything else would be far less kind. > > He isn’t the only one in this universe. He has plenty of company, but that doesn’t make him any more right. Ghandi said it best when he said Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear. Mahatma Gandhi An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Mahatma Gandhi ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/106 "2013-09-19T18:05:29Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Evidence of what? Non-existence of aliens? Got lots of that – just look out the window. Do you see any? Non existent aliens but how do you know? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/107 "2013-09-19T18:05:35Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Ghandi said it best when he said > > Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear. > Mahatma Gandhi > > An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. > Mahatma Gandhi Gandhi never faked photos of flying saucers or had imaginary conversations with aliens. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/108 "2013-09-19T18:06:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > He quoted from the link _you_ provided, for ghod’s sake! And that is? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/109 "2013-09-19T18:07:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Gandhi never faked photos of flying saucers or had imaginary conversations with aliens. doesn’t mean that what he has said doesn’t ring true in this context ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/110 "2013-09-19T18:08:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > In a court of law Mr. Meier would be charged with falsifying evidence and wasting the court’s time. But he hasn’t what is your proof ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/111 "2013-09-19T18:12:34Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > And that is? A game I’m done playing with you. Pretending not to know about your own link is the last straw as far as I’m concerned. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/112 "2013-09-19T18:18:18Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > But he hasn’t what is your proof If you had read any of the sites that were linked to, you would see the pathetic attempts Meier made to fake photographs. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/113 "2013-09-19T18:19:24Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Non existent aliens but how do you know? Why don’t you take a picture of those invisible aliens so we can see them? ---
**Author:** ![Consensus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@Consensus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Consensus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/114 "2013-09-19T18:19:25Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > The list goes on my friend Indeed the list goes on, but what does that have to do with aliens? Do you honestly believe some deus ex machina is going to solve all our problems? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/115 "2013-09-19T18:19:50Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Smeghead what have you quoted directly from Billy Meier’s words I can’t see it You are clearly not even bothering to read the posts you are replying to. Either that, or you are intellectually incapable of maintaining a thread of thought long enough to read and respond to a whole paragraph. Whether you’re shamming or genuinely incapable of rational communication, there’s no point in continuing to engage you. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/116 "2013-09-19T18:21:44Z")
From the [website](http://ca.figu.org/Q___A_-_Plejarens_0TSL.html#Q&A_Plejarens): > [@](#): > > Billy is no guru to be adored and idolized. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/117 "2013-09-19T18:30:47Z")
I looked at the FAQ on [TheyFly.com](http://TheyFly.com) . It directed me to this site [The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - Contact Report 007](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_7) and told me to look at line 126 > [@](#): > > 1. Do you believe, then, in this Ape–Human Theory? > Billy:I’m not stupid. My intellect tells me something different from the crazy brain of Darwin, who set this shower story in the world and fraudulently substantiated it with distorted ape bones, which has been concealed and kept secret by the responsible persons up to this day. So, **NewInitiation** , **TheBodhi** and **Mystic7** Do you deny that Billy denies Darwinian evolution? Do you deny Darwinian evolution? ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/118 "2013-09-19T19:13:09Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > But where is you evidence? There’s LOTS of evidence for the existence of con-men. Do YOU **deny** this??(Haven’t you received the call from India, representing Micrsoft, telling you there’s a problem with your computer?) Next question: how can there be a debate when one party doesn’t even know ‘you can’t prove a negative’? Too ignorant to continue to engage. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/119 "2013-09-19T19:45:21Z")
A UFO just landed on my porch, call BM right quick [http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w544/CaptKirk1970/UFO%20OMG/utf-8BSU1HLTIwMTMwOTE5LTAwMDExLmpwZw\_zpsc1437f51.jpg](http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w544/CaptKirk1970/UFO%20OMG/utf-8BSU1HLTIwMTMwOTE5LTAwMDExLmpwZw_zpsc1437f51.jpg) **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/120 "2013-09-19T20:19:50Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > A UFO just landed on my porch, call BM right quick > > [http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w544/CaptKirk1970/UFO%20OMG/utf-8BSU1HLTIwMTMwOTE5LTAwMDExLmpwZw\_zpsc1437f51.jpg](http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w544/CaptKirk1970/UFO%20OMG/utf-8BSU1HLTIwMTMwOTE5LTAwMDExLmpwZw_zpsc1437f51.jpg) > > **Capt** I’m convinced! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=7)