# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1181 "2013-10-09T15:58:57Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Are there professional trolls on this thread trying to discredit the Meier case? Yes, that’s highly likely. Many counter intelligence and disinformation agents are paid to hate the Meier material. Why would such energy be put into the Meier case if it could be easily be proven a fake? Neat trick, since the only newbies in this thread are Billy Boy’s supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1182 "2013-10-09T16:00:43Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Are there professional trolls on this thread trying to discredit the Meier case? Yes, that’s highly likely. In addition to being baseless, your accusation is out of line for this forum. Don’t do it again. You can call people trolls in the Pit, where insults are allowed, but not in any other part of the site. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1183 "2013-10-09T16:07:48Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Are there professional trolls on this thread trying to discredit the Meier case? Yes, that’s highly likely. Many counter intelligence and disinformation agents are paid to hate the Meier material. Why would such energy be put into the Meier case if it could be easily be proven a fake? Actually, based on the paucity and poor quality of “evidence” provided by Meier supporters, most folks would consider his claims already proven fake. And, as Czarcasm has pointed out, the only newbies in this thread have been supporters of Meiers. A claim of “professional trolls” would need to rest on a claim that a number of posters registered on this site years ago to lie in wait for Meiers’s proponents to show up so that they could attack. That is as silly a claim as anything else posted on the thread. (And I certainly would not call the possible trolling in favor of Meiers to be professional in any way.) > [@mystic7](#): > > I repeat, the Meier case cannot be absolutely proven nor can it be absolutely debunked. Anything short of this neutral position is nothing more than a belief. Nonsense. Trash can lid flying saucers, imaginary claims for real earth languages, silly claims for geophysicis, lies about ethnic groups on earth without a shred of evidence to support those claims, and any number of other points indicate that disbelief is the only reasonable conclusion. > [@mystic7](#): > > If anyone wants to investigate a hoax I recommend the alien abduction phenomenon. That’s the one about the little grey aliens abducting humans, stealing their eggs and sperm, and breeding a hybrid race. This hoax was a coordinated disinformation/ deception campaign carried out initially by trolls and counter intelligence agents. Ahh! The “let’s attack the competition” gambit. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1184 "2013-10-09T16:17:18Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > If anyone wants to investigate a hoax I recommend the alien abduction phenomenon. \*\*That’s the one about the little grey aliens abducting humans, stealing their eggs and sperm, and breeding a hybrid race. \*\*This hoax was a coordinated disinformation/ deception campaign carried out initially by trolls and counter intelligence agents. And again you’re wrong. The Greys are anal-probers. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1185 "2013-10-09T16:19:33Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Many counter intelligence and disinformation agents are paid to hate the Meier material. Awesome! Where do I sign up and how much does it pay? Is there a dental plan? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1186 "2013-10-09T16:27:32Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Awesome! Where do I sign up and how much does it pay? Is there a dental plan? Curses. My deep-cover assignment has been blown! I have been assigned to this message board for the past fifteen years just waiting for the chance to discredit Meier. And \*\*mystic7 \*\*sees through me within weeks! I woudl have gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddling kids! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1187 "2013-10-09T16:28:17Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Awesome! Where do I sign up and how much does it pay? Is there a dental plan? No, but there is a dental _implant_ plan. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1188 "2013-10-09T16:41:47Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Are there professional trolls on this thread trying to discredit the Meier case? Yes, that’s highly likely. No need. The Meier case discredits itself. No trying is needed. All you see here is people pointing and laughing - and not only at Meier. > [@](#): > > Many counter intelligence and disinformation agents are paid to hate the Meier material. Okay, just for funsies: Who’s paying them, and why? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1189 "2013-10-09T16:47:39Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > No need. The Meier case discredits itself. No trying is needed. All you see here is people pointing and laughing - and not only at Meier. > > Okay, just for funsies: Who’s paying them, and why? Probably the Plejarans. They’re dicks, remember? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1190 "2013-10-09T16:50:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No, but there is a dental _implant_ plan. Will that interfere with my ObamaCare implant chip? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1191 "2013-10-09T16:53:13Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > And again you’re wrong. The Greys are anal-probers. 😃 We are not! Wait, oh, nevermind. Nothing to see here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1192 "2013-10-09T16:53:41Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Will that interfere with my ObamaCare implant chip? Not if you pick your teeth with your right hand instead of your left. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1193 "2013-10-09T16:56:06Z")
[Found this about the Plejarans](http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/meier/esp_meier10.htm) and how the story has changed over the years. Can’t figure out what side the author is on. > [@](#): > > ABSTRACT > > The Czech Exopolitics Network brings the groundbreaking, in-depth analysis of Dana Rasinova, who since 1997 has been dealing with the case of contactee “Billy” Meier. > > She has been a member of FIGU for some years, which is an organization created around Billy Eduard Albert Meier (BEAM). > > This analysis explains the logic leading to the conclusion that the Pleiadians (Plejarans/Plejaren) of Swiss contactee Billy Meier deliberately don’t tell us the truth. They explicitly and strategically lie, feign or disinform. > > I cannot exclude the fact that they may have good and serious reason to do that. Settle in, it’s a long read. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1194 "2013-10-09T16:57:46Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > That proves nothing and BTW what conspiracy has this satanist write? I thought Wilson was a _satirist_ ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1195 "2013-10-09T17:06:53Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I thought Wilson was a _satirist_ Not to his most zealous critics. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1196 "2013-10-09T17:10:41Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I thought Wilson was a _satirist_ He can’t be both? Though I believe he described himself as agnostic. > [@newinitiation](#): > > What, now you are going to correct my grammar usage just because I’ve made some mistakes to which you aren’t immune to. I think you’ve missed the point. At several points, you’ve made some…_interesting_ choices in phrasing and word choice that most native English speakers would not make. Or at least not as consistently and commonly as you have. The suggestion was that perhaps some of your difficulties in communicating your point may come with unfamiliarity with the finer points of the language. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1197 "2013-10-09T17:20:16Z")
> [@http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/meier/esp\_meier10.htm](#): > > …In direct contact with extraterrestrial intelligence were Albert Einstein and physician Albert Schweitzer. > > … > > I hope this analysis contributes in bringing light the whole Meier situation. Bringing light, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1198 "2013-10-09T17:43:33Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > [Found this about the Plejarans](http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/meier/esp_meier10.htm) and how the story has changed over the years. Can’t figure out what side the author is on. The author is “competition” in the way that mystic7 was trying to undercut the competition in an earlier post. _::: shrug :::_ Most of that stuff is simply one more UFO nut using things she believes to counter stuff that Meiers has published. (Sort of like a JFK CT enthusiast who insists that the Mob killed JFK arguing against a JFK CT enthusiast who insists that it was LBJ.) The more interesting stuff is where they point out that Meier has changed his own story, from Meier’s claims in 1975’s **Semjase Block 3** that there have been dozens or hundreds of contacts with the ETs to more recent claims that he has been the only contact, (as he tries to corner the market with claims of exclusivity). ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1199 "2013-10-09T17:50:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Okay, just for funsies: Who’s paying them, and why? And most importantly, can \*we \*get a check too ? I realize we’re just gifted amateurs but… ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1200 "2013-10-09T18:42:37Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > A claim of “professional trolls” would need to rest on a claim that a number of posters registered on this site years ago to lie in wait for Meiers’s proponents to show up so that they could attack. It’s a nice deal - I’ve been waiting here for 14 years, since 1999, collecting those sweet sweet disinformation paychecks the whole time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=61)