# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1221 "2013-10-09T23:37:25Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > According to the book _Apocalypse Wow!_, Best. Cite. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1222 "2013-10-09T23:43:35Z")
[Apocalypse Wow!](http://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Wow-James-Finn-Garner/dp/0684836491) starts as a detached examination of prophets and prophecies. It becomes the tale of one man’s quest for truth. I highly recommend it. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1223 "2013-10-09T23:58:26Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > So where is your authority to decide which parts of that site are valid and which aren’t? > > The US is doing a pretty poor job of it then. I haven’t noticed German dying out. > Since you are so sure about that plan, lets see some documentation of it. Press the left button on your mouse over the link I have provided ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1224 "2013-10-09T23:59:39Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > From [that site.](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Important_Information_Regarding_Translations) > So all these translations you’ve been telling us to read are worthless. Yeah because you didn’t read it ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1225 "2013-10-10T00:02:59Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > I’ve just had a jrevelation. The following jprophesies have been revealed unto me by space aliens who crashed in my hedge. > > Prophesy 1: No space aliens will have physically revealed themselves on earth by 2020. > > Prophesy 2: The hedge prophesy, named after the aliens in my hedge. IF aliens do contact us by any means, they will have no clue who Billy Meier is or was. > > Prophesy 3: You, **newinitiation** , will not be with us a year from now. I hope that this one is false, and, after all, the aliens were in my hedge and drunk as skunks. Well you may be right If the CIA operatives don’t ban me from this forum I may be here a while longer ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1226 "2013-10-10T00:04:45Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Wait. The USAmericans have a \*secret \*plan for world conquest? How secret can an economic and cultural hegemony be? The USAmericans have infested the minds of people all across the world with their USAmerican memes through fast food and television. No secret. > > (Oh, and among these “USAmerican” ideas is a strong dislike for anyone who promulgates an antisemetic stance. That is something we learned from Germans about 70 years ago. I admit it did take us about twenty years longer to apply the lesson to other minorities.) The Zionists do have a strong influence on US politics and matter of fact, the whole world. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1227 "2013-10-10T00:05:52Z")
> [@akwally1](#): > > Secondly, if you’re a catholic, you’d better stay away from streams. _meh_ He can’t be Catholic. His alleged "ET"s have already condemned Catholics back when they were talking about the imaginary Vesuvian magma under the Vatican. > [@akwally1](#): > > Admittedly, I’m not really up on my popes, but aren’t we on the Pontifex Maximus now? So this should be a great time for Billy’s predictions to be proven correct. Right? I wonder if the great misplaced-magma incident in the Vatican will kick this whole thing off? The pope has been called _Pontifex Maximus_, the Roman effective, (although not literal), phrase meaning High Priest, off and on since the fifth century, with the name in pretty much constant use since the Renaissance. As to predictions of the end of the church or papacy, the Malachy prophecies would make Pope Francis the last one, (although Malachy seems to have confused the name Peter for Francis), so it seems that Meier is just echoing an already silly “prophecy.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1228 "2013-10-10T00:07:06Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > If the CIA operatives don’t ban me from this forum I may be here a while longer Lucky for you the government is shut down! (Seriously, we have nothing to do with the CIA. This is just kooky.) ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1229 "2013-10-10T00:08:40Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > I just watched this movie for the first time yesterday. Woah. That’s an amazing coincidence. Are you guys in contact with aliens? How did you know that? > > WWBD? > > -footnote to the prophesies above. Please note that it was prophesied that newinitiation would not be among us _on the 'dope_. Jthanks, As I said before if the CIA operatives don’t ban me from this forum, I’ll be around for a little while longer [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/CCds1GMHcHs/hqdefault.jpg "UFO Sightings Smoking Gun Evidence We Are Not Alone? Full Documentary Watch For Free 2017") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCds1GMHcHs) ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1230 "2013-10-10T00:10:33Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Yes it is, creative is the exact meaning of schöpferisch, the rest is also wrong: > > Der Schaffende/Erschaffende = somebody who creates, creator > > Or if its not capitalized, they can be forms of the verb schaffen/erschaffen = create, like in “Der schaffende Künstler”, but they are never equivalent to “Schöpfung”, which means creation. > This nitpick is the first time in this thread that you act like a typical doper. > Granted, this would have been my translation, but area and realm are equivalent > > Yes it does. Its entity. A German equivalent is Entität. See? > Granted, there’s no direct, 100 % equivalent in English, but it can be translated to disposition, temper or _feeling_. It certainly isn’t “the spirit’s counterpart to the material body’s psyche”, whatever that means. I am starting to doubt whether you are a native German speaker It appears that you know less about the German language than I do Funny ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1231 "2013-10-10T00:12:47Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > German speaking aliens now?? > > Either my meds are wearing off or someone else needs a refill. > > Wait… I’m not on any meds. They have their own language but the German language is preferred by them as this language is deemed the best language to convey the spiritual teachings ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1232 "2013-10-10T00:17:16Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > As I said before if the CIA operatives don’t ban me from this forum, I’ll be around for a little while longer > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCds1GMHcHs](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCds1GMHcHs) I’m not CIA, but I am the law, here. I am heartbeats away from locking this thread as useless. **newinitiation** , you should debate in good faith or stop posting in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1233 "2013-10-10T00:19:08Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > They have their own language but the German language is preferred by them as this language is deemed the best language to convey the spiritual teachings Why do they deem German best? Seriously, why not Yiddish or Latin or Esperanto? What advantages does German offer? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1234 "2013-10-10T00:20:25Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Why do they deem German best? Seriously, why not Yiddish or Latin or Esperanto? What advantages does German offer? The letter J. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1235 "2013-10-10T00:21:35Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Yes, I see what you are getting at, and you are either wriggling (again), yourself, or you are using words that you do not understand. > There is a difference between calling someone a liar and calling someone a fraud. The fraud specifically seeks to enrich himself with his lies. A liar may be telling lies for the amusement of deceiving people. I have given Meier the benefit of the doubt that he is not spreading this nonsense for personal gain. (Despite the over-inflated prices on his tomes, publishing costs probably prevent him from making much money on them, so he is hardly getting rich on this stuff, so I have not called him a fraud. Of course, he might just be an incompetent fraud who is failing to get rich on his efforts, but that was not what I said. 😛 ) > > So, our options, now that you have introduced a third one, are that he may be an idiot, he may be a liar, or he may be an incompetent fraud. I still have made no claim that I know which of these three apply. > > No. He was curious because the cadence of your writing is not that of a native speaker of English in Britain, North America, or Australia. It is not an attempt to insult you, simply curiosity. Well make up your God damn mind for fuck sake ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1236 "2013-10-10T00:22:53Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Press the left button on your mouse over the link I have provided I mean documentation like memos or such, not the mad, paranoid ramblings of the psychotic. > [@newinitiation](#): > > Yeah because you didn’t read it I did read it. [Let me quote it again.](http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Important_Information_Regarding_Translations) > [@](#): > > Based on our own laborious and nerve-racking experience during the translation process of “Goblet of Truth” into English – for the first time carried out in co-operation with a professional translation company – **it was finally proven that it is impossible to translate our “Lehrschriften”[1] from the German original into other terrestrial languages in a comprehensively correct way and in accordance with the true meaning** So we aren’t getting the true meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1237 "2013-10-10T00:25:34Z")
I’m reminded of the 30 Rock episode where Kenneth insists the Bible must be read in German. Otherwise you don’t get the _versteckte Bedeutungen_. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1238 "2013-10-10T00:25:56Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I’m not CIA, but I am the law, here. > > I am heartbeats away from locking this thread as useless. **newinitiation** , you should debate in good faith or stop posting in this thread. :smack: Debate in good faith!? What the fuck have I tried to do for the last 24 previous threads, yes, debate, you got it. Its the Billy Meier skeptics who you should pay more attention to seeing as they aren’t interested in an honest debate but only ad hominum attacks that tries to pass for one You want evidence? Well all you have to do is go back and read it! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/1239 "2013-10-10T00:28:00Z")
That’s enough. Everyone take a break, go to separate corners, and live your - apparently - non-German speaking lives. This thread no longer suits a purpose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=61)