# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/121 "2013-09-19T20:22:55Z")
If only 1% of that photo is correct, there must be aliens. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/122 "2013-09-19T20:25:02Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > But where is you evidence? You do not consider the story of his Dean Martin dancer aliens to be a wee bit suspicious? ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/123 "2013-09-19T21:34:14Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > You do not consider the story of his Dean Martin dancer aliens to be a wee bit suspicious? To be fair, before we jump to conclusions perhaps we should examine the words of Gandhi and see if they are applicable in this context. ---
**Author:** ![Sigene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df788c/32.png) [@Sigene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigene)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/124 "2013-09-19T23:06:01Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Hi Sigene > > Sigene why would you want to confide this to a total stranger who you’ve never met nor held any conversations with? > > I don’t know you at all nor do you know me at all for you to embark on such an action. > > Not to mention the fact that I am not an expert on ETs > > But if I do attempt to read between the line I guess there is a veiled condescending tone to your post as if only loons believe in ETs or something or that people believing in ETs should get their heads checked or something > > If this is so then presidents Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Roosevelt, Clinton, and may others should be all lumped under the loony category. What? You don’t believe me? Why would I make something like that up? Is your mind closed to my experiences? You’re just like all the others, a closed minded person not willing to see the truths in my statements. I thought I could trust you. ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/125 "2013-09-19T23:57:27Z")
Doccathode, The Meier material is replete with discussion of evolution. Everything in the universe evolves eg stars, biological life forms, societies, ideas, consciousness, spirit forms, etc. I recommend you investigate some of the information provided by the ET’s in the contact reports. There’s accurate information there about evolution that you won’t find in the main stream media. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/126 "2013-09-20T00:03:25Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Doccathode, The Meier material is replete with discussion of evolution. Everything in the universe evolves eg stars, biological life forms, societies, ideas, consciousness, spirit forms, etc. I recommend you investigate some of the information provided by the ET’s in the contact reports. There’s accurate information there about evolution that you won’t find in the main stream media. The “Meier material” is bullshit fantasy from a delusional kook and neurotic crank. Did I mention that it was bullshit? What, in particular, should we investigate, and why? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/127 "2013-09-20T00:12:57Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Doccathode, The Meier material is replete with discussion of evolution. Everything in the universe evolves eg stars, biological life forms, societies, ideas, consciousness, spirit forms, etc. I recommend you investigate some of the information provided by the ET’s in the contact reports. That is interesting, but it does not answer the question I asked. > [@](#): > > There’s accurate information there about evolution that you won’t find in the main stream media. Such as? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/128 "2013-09-20T00:19:23Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > A UFO just landed on my porch, call BM right quick [Me, too!](http://youtu.be/rWvbI05zMhY) Uncanny! ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/129 "2013-09-20T00:29:48Z")
DocCathode, The Meier material is full of examples in which scientific information is provided well before it is discovered by the scientific community. But that doesn’t mean the scientists are plagiarizing Billy’s material. Most of these scientists have never heard of Billy Meier. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/130 "2013-09-20T00:33:03Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > DocCathode, The Meier material is full of examples in which scientific information is provided well before it is discovered by the scientific community. Such as? Can you give a few examples? I realize you want me to read the Meier material in its entirety. Well, if you want to get me interested in doing that you can answer my questions. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/131 "2013-09-20T00:37:27Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > DocCathode, The Meier material is full of examples in which scientific information is provided well before it is discovered by the scientific community. But that doesn’t mean the scientists are plagiarizing Billy’s material. Most of these scientists have never heard of Billy Meier. Could you please name one bit of scientific information he got to before the scientific community? ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/132 "2013-09-20T01:03:11Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > [Me, too!](http://youtu.be/rWvbI05zMhY) Uncanny! That’s no _ordinary_ squirrel, mate! That’s… oh, wait, wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/133 "2013-09-20T01:12:56Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > That’s no _ordinary_ squirrel, mate! That’s… Right you are. Did you shudder to the eerie music? That’s a _paranormal_ squirrel from Zeta Reticuli, you bet! ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/134 "2013-09-21T01:20:36Z")
Billy described computers as major communication media c1958 Billy described rings around Jupiter before space probe got there-- he saw them from a beam ship. Billy described how swiss alp mummy died before it was discovered! The list goes on and on. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/135 "2013-09-21T01:30:11Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Billy described computers as major communication media c1958 > Billy described rings around Jupiter before space probe got there-- he saw them from a beam ship. > Billy described how swiss alp mummy died before it was discovered! > > The list goes on and on. Where were these originally published? Newspapers, magazines, etc. All I find are claims of publication. No copies of the originals. ---
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/136 "2013-09-21T01:50:00Z")
Meier’s books are copyrighted. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/137 "2013-09-21T02:00:58Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Meier’s books are copyrighted. What are the copyright dates? The ones on Amazon are from 1998 and newer and [TheyFly.com](http://TheyFly.com) neglects to include that information. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/138 "2013-09-21T02:56:32Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Meier’s books are copyrighted. So what? All books are copyrighted. I’ve written books and all my books are copyrighted. Under current copyright law in the U.S. all of our posts are copyrighted in our names as soon as we post them. Copyright says nothing about anything. Now, answer the question. Exactly when and where were those claims first put into print? Give the exact citation. If you don’t know how to cite, here’s a [page](http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pub/integrity/pages/styles/) with very simple examples. Before you argue it, let me remind you that you can cite anything from anywhere at any time with no copyright implications. Citations are different from quotes, but as that sample page shows you can also quote brief passages without copyright implications either and it will help you greatly if you give us the original quotes as well as cites for the publication. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/139 "2013-09-21T03:24:45Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > Billy described computers as major communication media c1958 H.G. Wells predicted the internet in 1937. You lose. > [@](#): > > Billy described rings around Jupiter before space probe got there-- he saw them from a beam ship. He also said they were made by volcanos on Io I’d call this the shotgun approach. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/140 "2013-09-21T03:28:11Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Only because you haven’t dealt with his material nor read upon what he has said You don’t seem to grasp the concept of burden of proof here. If I tell you that there are fairies living at the bottom of my garden, it’s not up to you to prove they don’t exist. You may believe me or not as you choose. If I want widespread recognition of those fairies, though, it’s up to ME to prove that they exist. You, like Billy Meier, simply want to make a bunch of completely ludicrous claims and then sit back and wait for us to go to the effort to disprove them. Meier’s goal isn’t to prove all of this crap he made up; it’s to sell books and videos. If you buy his book and decide it’s bogus, he doesn’t care. You already gave him money. What he really needs to make his scam work is a bunch of credulous followers who will believe everything he says because they so badly want to believe. Those followers don’t understand the scientific method, they don’t understand peer review, they don’t understand reproducible results, and they certainly don’t care whether Meier can back his claims. I don’t believe that you’re here to have a debate. You’re here to proselytize. Your mind is closed, your opinions are set, and you don’t care what evidence may or may not be provided. Arguing with you is a complete and utter waste of time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=8)