# Billy Meier, whats the verdict? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000 "2013-09-16T20:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![mystic7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecccb3/32.png) [@mystic7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystic7)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/161 "2013-09-22T20:55:22Z")
I think newinitiation has this forum pondering. His or her points of contention have not been adequately answered IMO. The Billy Meier material represents humanity’s rise from the age of belief to the golden age of knowledge. This helps to explain the plausible deniability principal. The Meier material is not directed to those of weak consciousness. It is not directed to those who would clamor for proof just so they can believe rather than know. The Meier material is all about the Truth. Those of strong consciousness can resonate with the Truth in the Meier material. Don’t ask me to prove that. Proof in this age related to the Meier material is something you can only do for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/162 "2013-09-22T21:00:24Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > I think newinitiation has this forum pondering. His or her points of contention have not been adequately answered IMO. > > The Billy Meier material represents humanity’s rise from the age of belief to the golden age of knowledge. > This helps to explain the plausible deniability principal. The Meier material is not directed to those of weak consciousness. It is not directed to those who would clamor for proof just so they can believe rather than know. The Meier material is all about the Truth. Those of strong consciousness can resonate with the Truth in the Meier material. Don’t ask me to prove that. Proof in this age related to the Meier material is something you can only do for yourself. Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/163 "2013-09-22T21:47:40Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > I think newinitiation has this forum pondering. Not particularly. Or at least in the way you mean. The only thing I’m pondering is when any solid evidence will be presented or when the thread dies. > [@mystic7](#): > > His or her points of contention have not been adequately answered IMO. Well, yes, opinion can be like that. That’s why we tend towards physical evidence and rational thinking. The primary problem being that there’s been a lot of “Truth” ™ that hasn’t actually been very true. Stuff that’s been verified by physical evidence, on the other hand, has a solid track record. I’ll take the solid track record vs the guy who appears to be at least as interested in monetary gain as disseminating “Truth”. ---
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/164 "2013-09-22T21:57:53Z")
Major Gordon Cooper Did not see UFOs in space, but he did see an unidentified aerial phenomenon when he was a test pilot, and was unable to account for it. There is no record of any official report by Cooper of his sighting. He also viewed a film showing a possible UFO at White Sands, but this has since been identified as a balloon. Donald Slayton Did not see UFOs in space, but did see an unidentified aerial phenomenon when he was a test pilot, and was unable to account for it. Major Robert White Not an astronaut, or even an atronaught, but a test pilot who saw an unidentified aerial phenomenon. Joseph A. Walker Not an astronaut, or even an atronaught, but a test pilot who saw an unidentified aerial phenomenon. Commander Eugene Cernan Has never seen a UFO. Ed White & James McDivitt Ed white has never seen a UFO. McDivitt photographed something that appeared to be an unidentified satellite in orbit, which may have been the Titan II booster which launched him into orbit. James Lovell and Frank Borman Saw an unusual cloud of debris from their own booster separation event, which they could not identify at the time; a fraudulent photograph has been circulated which apparently shows a UFO but it is simply part of their own craft which has been photomanipulated. Neil Armstrong & Edwin Aldrin Did not see UFOs on the Moon, and although at first they reported an unknown object following them on their flight they subsequently identified it as part of the faring from the Saturn IV-B stage. Maurice Chatelain Not an astronaut, or even an atronaught, but a low level contractor for NASA with a severe credibility problem. Scott Carpenter Took a photo of a subsatellite balloon from his Mercury capsule, a photo which has since been misinterpreted as a UFO. See [http://www.jamesoberg.com/77Feb-SW-astro-UFO.PDF](http://www.jamesoberg.com/77Feb-SW-astro-UFO.PDF) for more details. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/165 "2013-09-23T06:44:33Z")
[quote=“Gary “Wombat” Robson, post:159, topic:669000”] As I said, I’m done arguing with you regarding Billy Meier, since you have no basis for your argument. HOWEVER, with moderator hat on, I need to remind you that it is against the rules of this forum to edit the text in a quote box. You may quote different segments of a post in different quote boxes, but you may not intersperse your own text in a quote box with what you’re quoting. [/QUOTE] My apologies Gary I didn’t know that this function would turn out this way hence a one off mistake. Now I am not here to argue but to present factual information to counter people’s misinformation and prejudice driven lies about the Billy Meier case. If something people say here does not conform with the truth by all means I have the right to correct that mistake whether intentionally done or not. Aren’t people interested in the unblemished truth considering that this forum has a sub banner stating ‘fighting ignorance since 1973’ and I will second guess as to why ‘its taking longer than we thought’ if people simply revel in lies rather than opening their minds to the truth. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/166 "2013-09-23T06:47:18Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It means no such thing. And if you’re going to talk about the significance of copyright law, you should know that the term “copyrighted” is ambiguous. > > Which do you mean? > > 1. A work with respect to which the author claims copyright protections. (Which attach at the moment of the creation of a fixation.) > > 2. The labeling of a copy of such work with a copyright notice. (Optional) > > 3. Registration with the copyright office. (Optional) > > All three of these things can take place at different times. Well here is the answer to your question > **[TheyFly.com - The Billy Meier UFO Contacts - A\_True\_Prophet\_Revealed](http://theyfly.com/A_True_Prophet_Revealed.html)** ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/167 "2013-09-23T06:48:26Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > I think newinitiation has this forum pondering. His or her points of contention have not been adequately answered IMO. > > The Billy Meier material represents humanity’s rise from the age of belief to the golden age of knowledge. > This helps to explain the plausible deniability principal. The Meier material is not directed to those of weak consciousness. It is not directed to those who would clamor for proof just so they can believe rather than know. The Meier material is all about the Truth. Those of strong consciousness can resonate with the Truth in the Meier material. Don’t ask me to prove that. Proof in this age related to the Meier material is something you can only do for yourself. Hi Mystic7 I couldn’t have said it any better ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/168 "2013-09-23T06:50:22Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > That page is backdated and ludicrously fraudulent. It is a joke. > > That asterisk goes nowhere, BTW. > > We are saying that every one of Billy’s “Prophecies” are fraudulent. You can’t disprove that by pointing back to the webpage. You could disprove it by pointing to the original. You can’t because we know there never was one, but let’s play the game for a moment. > > You mention copyright. In the U.S. copyrights are fixed only if they are registered to provide a legal origination date. You can easily search the Library of Congress’ database. There are three works in the name of Eduard Meier or Eduard Albert Meier, Billy’s legal name. The earliest is dated 1990. > > Switzerland has copyright too, but oddly it has no equivalent registration process. I don’t know how dates are legally established in Switzerland. However, any work of Billy’s from 1958 would have corresponded to the terms of the Berne Convention and provisions about dating would have been ruled by their copyright law of 1922. > > I searched [bookfinder.com](http://bookfinder.com) for any works by Billy Meier and found nothing before the 1980s. I also checked Google Books and found no references to him before the 1980s. > > Billy is a fraud. His prophecies are a fraud. If you want to try to convince us otherwise, show us documentation that he put any of this stuff down on paper before his predictions actually happened. It should be a trivial task to do so. > > And stop using magic words like “copyright.” They don’t mean anything because you don’t know what you’re talking about. You said ‘That page is backdated and ludicrously fraudulent. It is a joke’. Where is your proof? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/169 "2013-09-23T06:57:47Z")
> [@eburacum45](#): > > Major Gordon Cooper > Did not see UFOs in space, but he did see an unidentified aerial phenomenon when he was a test pilot, and was unable to account for it. There is no record of any official report by Cooper of his sighting. He also viewed a film showing a possible UFO at White Sands, but this has since been identified as a balloon. > > Donald Slayton > Did not see UFOs in space, but did see an unidentified aerial phenomenon when he was a test pilot, and was unable to account for it. > > Major Robert White > Not an astronaut, or even an atronaught, but a test pilot who saw an unidentified aerial phenomenon. > > Joseph A. Walker > Not an astronaut, or even an atronaught, but a test pilot who saw an unidentified aerial phenomenon. > > Commander Eugene Cernan > Has never seen a UFO. > > Ed White & James McDivitt > Ed white has never seen a UFO. McDivitt photographed something that appeared to be an unidentified satellite in orbit, which may have been the Titan II booster which launched him into orbit. > > James Lovell and Frank Borman > Saw an unusual cloud of debris from their own booster separation event, which they could not identify at the time; a fraudulent photograph has been circulated which apparently shows a UFO but it is simply part of their own craft which has been photomanipulated. > > Neil Armstrong & Edwin Aldrin > Did not see UFOs on the Moon, and although at first they reported an unknown object following them on their flight they subsequently identified it as part of the faring from the Saturn IV-B stage. > > Maurice Chatelain > Not an astronaut, or even an atronaught, but a low level contractor for NASA with a severe credibility problem. > > Scott Carpenter > Took a photo of a subsatellite balloon from his Mercury capsule, a photo which has since been misinterpreted as a UFO. > > See > [http://www.jamesoberg.com/77Feb-SW-astro-UFO.PDF](http://www.jamesoberg.com/77Feb-SW-astro-UFO.PDF) for more details. This piece is a classic disinformation propaganda BS Such lame excuses offered for what is clearly UFOs photographed by the astronauts. Never A Straight Answer (NASA) attempt at hiding the truth from the public is well known for their notoriety. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/170 "2013-09-23T07:05:35Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Not particularly. Or at least in the way you mean. > > The only thing I’m pondering is when any solid evidence will be presented or when the thread dies. > > Well, yes, opinion can be like that. > > That’s why we tend towards physical evidence and rational thinking. > > The primary problem being that there’s been a lot of “Truth” ™ that hasn’t actually been very true. > > Stuff that’s been verified by physical evidence, on the other hand, has a solid track record. > > I’ll take the solid track record vs the guy who appears to be at least as interested in monetary gain as disseminating “Truth”. You said ‘That’s why we tend towards physical evidence and rational thinking’. The Billy Meier case has got all this and more and firstly it does require people to be rational by taking into consideration his proof material which is in abundance yet why keep asking for it when its right their in front of people’s noses given on a silver platter? Where is the logic of asking for more proof yet when you give it to people they won’t look at it and instead turn right around asking for more proof. All people are interested in is only proof that confirms their preconceived ideas and deeply ingrained beliefs which they hold to dear life because its safe and less threatening to venture outside of this bubble. ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/171 "2013-09-23T07:07:57Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Bullshit. Have you got the capacity to engage in a rational conversation with more than one words? ---
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/172 "2013-09-23T07:20:17Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > This piece is a classic disinformation propaganda BS > > Such lame excuses offered for what is clearly UFOs photographed by the astronauts. Oberg has given good explanations for each of the photos; as he points out, some of the supposed photos are obvious fakes or images of perfectly understood phenomena. Which photos do you wish to dispute? ---
**Author:** ![newinitiation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@newinitiation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newinitiation)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/173 "2013-09-23T07:33:26Z")
> [@eburacum45](#): > > Oberg has given good explanations for each of the photos; as he points out, some of the supposed photos are obvious fakes or images of perfectly understood phenomena. Which photos do you wish to dispute? Refer to page 8 eye complaint? eyes don’t take photographs but camera do irrespective of eye condition and what came out of the McDivitt photograph was clearly not a booster ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/174 "2013-09-23T11:08:04Z")
Newinitiation: Yes or no, are you actually Billy Meier? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/175 "2013-09-23T14:14:24Z")
> [@mystic7](#): > > I think newinitiation has this forum _pondering_. I believe you have misspelled “laughing”. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/176 "2013-09-23T14:32:44Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Bullshit. > [@newinitiation](#): > > Have you got the capacity to engage in a rational conversation with more than one words? I’m sure all of us do. But **runner pat** ’s single word post reflects the opinion of many in a short, concise way. It’s hard to improve upon such succinctness and clarity. To repeat the OP: Billy Meier, what’s the verdict? _Bullshit._ See how well that works? It condenses the entire thread so nicely. **Runner pat,** my hat’s off to you. I will have to add that useful word to my vocabulary. ---
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/177 "2013-09-23T14:37:44Z")
> [@newinitiation](#): > > Refer to page 8 > …what came out of the McDivitt photograph was clearly not a booster It is not clearly anything, although it appears to be a blurred cylinder approximately the same shape as the Titan booster. If it is not simply a small piece of ice or other debris close to the capsule, it probably is the booster. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/178 "2013-09-23T14:47:03Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > I’m sure all of us do. But **runner pat** ’s single word post reflects the opinion of many in a short, concise way. It’s hard to improve upon such succinctness and clarity. > > To repeat the OP: Billy Meier, what’s the verdict? > > _Bullshit._ > > See how well that works? It condenses the entire thread so nicely. **Runner pat,** my hat’s off to you. I will have to add that useful word to my vocabulary. Another vote for bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/179 "2013-09-23T14:49:58Z")
I’d go with hilarious, but bullshit will do. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000/180 "2013-09-23T14:56:15Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Does [anal probing](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBhru5nLpGE) count? That’s a good cover story for when you wake up with a hangover and a sore ass. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/billy-meier-whats-the-verdict/669000.md?page=10)